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Posted 3/29/2013 7:30 AM (GMT 0)
No problem, Tina. I just get so frustrated when patients/pharmacy customers are given erroneous information by their doctors or pharmacists! We should be able to trust these professionals to tell us the truth and give us correct information on issues that affect our very lives. We are already in pain and the added stress of trying to figure out what's true and what's not just makes it worse and is totally unnecessary!
Posted 3/29/2013 7:39 AM (GMT 0)
I absolutely agree.

It took me years to get the relationship I have w/ my pharmacy/pharmacist. I don't even want to think of the experiences I had prior. Ugggh.

Just in general (to everyone).... if you hear something that doesn't sound *right*.... go home and google it. Look at the dea.gov website that Splash provided. Search it out. If it's a legitimate concern - you WILL find it online.

As others have said on other threads - it would be huge news if certain "restrictions" were going to be put on meds.

I'm not saying that the DEA isn't tightening down on things..... All I can say is that I'm on high doses on opiods and I really am not concerned....

--Tina
Posted 3/29/2013 8:12 AM (GMT 0)
The point I think here is it doesn't have to come from the DEA,you could go to your pharmacist next month and due to local and state laws changing or just your pharmacies corporate rules not be able to get your meds.

Like LC has said the states have the right to each set down regulations of their own.

Florida has many now that other states don't have and this is real and people who are not junkies but pain Patients are caught up in it.

My meds have been late being filled 2 times in the last 2 years over a policy newly implemented without warning.

I have an out of state Drivers license,millions of folks here do. They come south for winter as the cold is not good for many medical conditions. They have a home state id,never had trouble before getting meds at Walgreen,CVS,Wal-Mart,etc. They've all been linked for years,state to state. Some even have a Dr here for the time they spend here and one at home since for a long time you haven't been able to fill out of state scripts for narcotics.

Due to having to now have a state pic id to obtain a narcotic they can't get it filled even if its written by a local Dr. Now what? You can't have a Dl in 2 states,how can't fill a script 4 months ahead before you come here for winter and you can't get enough meds filled before you leave home filled.

You cannot get a state id without having a permanent lease or mortgage deed. You must prove length of residency. You have to show 2 utility bills in your name at that residence.

Lots of factors here prevent legitimate folks from getting their meds. Not many of them are dea induced.

Vickie
Posted 3/29/2013 5:07 PM (GMT 0)
Vickie, what about people just on vacation? Twist an ankle, crack in a tooth, doc writes a scrip for 3 days worth. If you are visiting Disney from out of state and God forbid get in an accident, the same applies?

That's called not thinking their cunning plan all the way through. Although most of the people who would complain about it vote in another state, writing a letter to the Florida representative isn't going to help much. You would think someone would have brought that up at some point. It's paranoia.
Posted 3/29/2013 6:37 PM (GMT 0)
Splash, thx for that great quote from the DEA's website. Also, thx to all the HW CPs that have chimed in on this worrisome issue. I have an appt with my ever so nice oncologist this Monday where I will be able to bring this matter up. She is most certainly "A practitioner acting in the usual course of professional practice."
Cancer pain as well as severe CP require heavier than normal dosage levels. My pharmacologist understands this and hopefully we will get to the bottom of this pickle barrel . . . Q
Posted 3/29/2013 6:41 PM (GMT 0)
quincy, like you, i am a long term cancer patient with a lot of difficult pain issues. my oncologist assures me, that he will always be calling the shots for me on my pain meds. he knows first hand what i suffer, and it's his goal to keep me out of as much pain as long as he can, as the cancer continues to progress.

if your doctor really believes in you and what is going on with you, that is a huge advantage in how you are cared for and treated

david
Posted 3/29/2013 6:59 PM (GMT 0)
David, you must have heard my keystrokes. I just now wrote you a reply that totally concerns this issue and, as I said, my Dr. is pulling for me. thanks so much for your concern. Had a rough night last night at the sleep therapy center. I just can't acclimate to those masks but I do have c-apnea. I gues I'll continue to rely on my hyper vigilant wife to bump me when I stop breathing . . . Q
Posted 3/29/2013 8:27 PM (GMT 0)
Ers in Daytona don't script scheduled II. Your lucky you get a Korean maybe if you have broken something and then 6 is the largest amount I've seen and that's 5mgs. Generally you get ultra and ibuprofen.

They halted Er Drs from writing way back on the 1st go round.

It's so crazy and they have gone way overboard

Vickie
Posted 3/29/2013 8:33 PM (GMT 0)
WOW! What do they do with compound fractures, shoot 'em in the head for an anesthetic? This just gets worse and worse. I'm on another thread with a guy from VA, probably Fairfax County, the richest county in the states . . . He keeps saying that its not true and has called me a liar. Must be a lobbyist . . . 1
Posted 6/29/2014 6:39 AM (GMT 0)
I am thinking of moving from Florida because of this. after over 30 years since I first woke up and could not stand up [sciatica] literally had to crawl to car, then into Dr. Since then curvature of spine severe nerve damage 2 bulging 2 herniated..................now best is 3 100 kadian 6 30 mg I.R. 2 as needed, soma x 3, neurontin 800 x 4..............now to get 120 30 mg I.R. morphine I will have to order FIVE 100 mg E.R. morphine daily?????????? I could take 2 less 100's with just 2 more 30mg, that is 140 mg less per day, and you are right E.R work nothing like I.R. . I am allergic to most other narcotics and I just want to be retired active walking is nice, a little exercise goes a long way and I have found compounds work muck better, could get away with 2 100's with 6 30's with compounds but they are not covered. Now I know the 12 concussions and 3 motorcycle wrecks [none my fault].......do not help me dink so wel butt I can doo simpel mat and i believe they do not know full body pain, both knees and shoulders opened wide, 6 specialist say all in-op nerve damage to extensive and wide spread to make any difference......so I feel you and pray we can make our voices heard.
Posted 6/29/2014 6:49 AM (GMT 0)
Forgot, after new DEA and FL. laws I went over 7 months without even close to what I need and went into complete withdrawal 5 times over the first year because FL. pharmacies were unable to fill half my RX's and/or did not have 30s or kadian or fentanyl patches or morphine PERIOD for almost the first year and mail order was/is a nightmare. I will probably have too leave my home of 42 years to stay sane.
Posted 6/29/2014 8:01 AM (GMT 0)
Welcome Las to the chronic pain forum at HW. This thread is a little old and some folks may miss your comments so if you would please start a introduction post by clicking "post new topic at the top or bottom of your page. Tell us a little about yourself and how you found us. We like to welcome everyone and don't want anyone to miss you.

The forum has folks far and wide and if moving is what's in your future here's the best place to find out where not to go!! Others can possibly recommend Drs in new area's your considering as well but unfortunately from those that post here these road blocks, rules, and regulations are just as strict and obstructive across the US. I think it's only going to get worse as more and more insurance carriers and Medicare continue to restrict what and how much they will cover and more Drs get fed up with having to contend with the care and well being of their patients placed in the hands of those same insurance carriers, RPH'S, and political law makers.

My Dr a few months back told me he wrote a certain big chain drug store over new information sheets that they required to have on file prior to filing class II meds and requested they pay part of his malpractice insurance premiums since they were sharing in the care of his patients!! Lol, he is one in a million yet his hands are tied like most good FL Drs and his tired and that's pushing him to retirement far earlier then he ever dreamed.
Posted 6/30/2014 12:51 AM (GMT 0)
I just spent some time in the ER which ended up as two nights in the hospital.The Drs. And Nurses allowed my wife to bring in my regularly scheduled doses of Oxycodone 30mg, 8 p/d. Is this an unusual thing? It seems like the proper thing to do as far as class IIs go. The hospital pharmacy provided me with my scheduled Duloxetine, Levothyroxine, and Xanax.
Posted 6/30/2014 1:26 PM (GMT 0)
This is not anything new, several times my meds were brought to the hospital & were used. I have no problem doing this either, it helps me.

Hope you are feeling better.
Posted 7/1/2014 3:32 PM (GMT 0)
I know it has happened here they limit the quanties on narcotics.
Posted 7/1/2014 7:40 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Susie, I am feeling better. I had a very strange reaction to Fentora, I felt like I was in another world and my sense of time was all messed up. I was having hallucinations, hearing voices and could barely talk. I wasn't abusing my meds, I was taking my Rxed dosage. The doctor said that it was a multi factoral thing. Meaning, I guess, that as my pain keeps me bed bound so much I developed a sort of sensory deprivation syndrome. He advised me to walk down the block 3 times a day, further and further each day. Now, 9 days later, I haven't missed a walk and I am feeling back to normal. Nothing like a bit of exercise . . . Quincy
Posted 9/26/2015 3:53 AM (GMT 0)
I really do not recall the exact date that the DEA threatened my Primary Care doctor who has been providing me with Oxycodone for the past four years since I returned to Colorado Springs, prior to that he has been treating me for about a total of 40 years.
I was in his office and requested an increase in my pain med (Oxycodone) and Fentaynal (patch) were the two meds I have been using for about the last 15-20 years. My diagnosis is Spinal stenosis, herinated disc, bulging and protruding disc, RA and DDD or Degenerative Disc Disease.
My visit to my Doctor was a med check and to discuss some stomach problems. At the end of our visit I explained to him that I felt I needed an increase of my oxycodone, and explained the reasons, which were substantiated with X-Rays.
My regular dose is 4 30 mg fast release oxycodone every 6 hours I asked him if I could increase my dose to 5 oxycodone as apposed to 4 a day because the effect was wearing off before the six (6) hours came around. It's important to know that I have tried other pain meds, some caused severe stomach problems and others caused suicide thoughts or extreme dizziness, but I tolerate the Oxycodone best of all.
When I requested a refill of the new dose I was told that I had to go back to 4 doses a day, and that he (Doctor) was told to reduce my dosage back to what it was, I was taken bacl by this but if I wanted my med, it was more of a need then want so I had no choice but to accept.
I'm still in severe pain and have to go through the task of asking my doctor for an increase every time i see him making it very uncomfortable between us, because he has to say no, and sometimes replies with I could stop giving you four (4) a day. rolleyes The DEA in my opinion has no business interfering between me and my Doctor, they don't know anything about me, and at 65 I consider myself a responsible adult.
Posted 9/26/2015 3:43 PM (GMT 0)
Hello Joe & welcome to the chronic pain forum. Joe, we ask that all new members make an intro post so that all members will see it & be able to say hello & welcome aboard. You have brought up an older thread & posted on it & not many people will see your post.

To start your own post look to the left & click Post New Topic, type in a heading & if you can copy & paste what you have written above that would be perfect.

I will lock this thread so others will not post here. Thanks.
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