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Posted 4/24/2009 8:07 PM (GMT 0)
My husband and I are interested in having children in the not too distant future. I met with a maternal/fetal specialist and he mentioned that studies seem to indicate that subutex has less of withdrawal effect on newborn babies. I'm interested in this (I currently take methadone and morphine) but would like to know if anyone on here has tried it and how effective it is in managing pain. I wouldn't want to switch if it's not that great of a pain reliever.
Thanks!
Danimal
Posted 4/24/2009 9:38 PM (GMT 0)
I do Suboxone which is Subutex but the Suboxone has Naloxone in it nd the Subutex doesnt. The main ingredent in it is Buprenorphine and I find it to be a wonderful painkiller but some people dont. And a baby can still go thru withdrawals with Subutex as they can with any narcotic pain killer but with Subutex/Suboxone it's not as bad and alot of time the baby doesnt have any withdrawals, it's always diffrent. I can find some information for you on Suboxone/Subutex and withdrawals in newborns if you would like me to, theirs a websight I visit by NAABT that has alot of information on it. The thing about this med is that you HAVE to be in withdrawals to start it and you have to be on 30mg on methadone for atleast 2 weeks before starting it, I did it and it wasnt that bad, I went from 180mg of methadone down to 30mg pretty easily. It is a very very strong pain killer, and the Subutex is also dissolved under the tongue like the suboxone I take, but it's a lemon-lime flavor but I thought it was pretty nasty, but you get use to it. It has a peak effect of 32mg, so anything higher wont do anything else for you in pain releif. but let me know if you wnt that information.
-hellokitty
Posted 4/25/2009 5:26 AM (GMT 0)
someone please help me. im tryn to get off methadone with no medical help off of 60mg and soma, oxycodone.

my body in such spasms. i need some guidance. i have degenertive disc disease, fibromyalgia, arthritis. no drs care. canttake anymore.

Posted 4/25/2009 5:36 AM (GMT 0)
Crste,
I want to welcome you to the chronic pain forume of Healing Well. We aren't doctors here, though, and can't give medical advice. I would never recommend trying to withdraw from these drugs without medical guidance. It can be dangerous. If nothing else, you may need to go to the E.R.

Why is it you want to stop these medications without medical help? Please, at least call your local E.R. and tell them your symptoms and let them decide if you need to be seen.

PaLady
Posted 4/25/2009 6:12 AM (GMT 0)
Crste,
I dont know about Soma, but for the oxycodone, all you can do for withdrawals from that is time, you wont die from the withdrawals but you will wish you where dead. The symptoms peak at about 3 days and lasts for up to 7-10 days for oxycodone and quite a bit longer for methadone, the withdrawls from that can be months, even one lady I know was still having withdrawals after a year, it really stores up in your bones and fatty tissue. Then their's paws which can last for a year or more, which will be the worse part of it from what I hear, the depression from the paws is suppose to be terrible. And you will need some kind of counciling, group, or/and 12 step meetings no matter what, that will the most important part.?? But all I can tell you to help with opiate withdrawal is to drink ALOT of water even if you dont feel like it, take alot of hot baths, take ibprofen for pain and aches, and stay away from caffiene, which can make withdrawals worse. And if you can find a doctor, ask for some clonidine, the pills not the patches, that will help you with alot of the symptoms, and sometimes benzos (klonidine, xanax, valium, ect) can help but take as little aas possible or that can cause a whole new addiction problem which can be deadly if stopped all of a sudden. This is all I can think of, and of course their's Suboxone treatment which can cost alot (I know it did for me) and you can find a list of approved doctors at suboxone.com. Also why are you not under a doctor's care? where you getthing these meds from a doctor?
-hellokitty
Posted 4/25/2009 7:38 PM (GMT 0)
I understand about wanting to stop taking Methadone, for whatever reason. I recently went from Methadone 120 mg. a day to MS Contin (Morphine) 120 mg. a day...What a disaster!!! First off I had to deal with withdrawls!!! Almost from the get go. Then I had to deal with Pain... For me Morphine isn't as effective for pain as the Methadone was. After only one week I went back to the Methadone. I couldn't deal with it. I don't know if it was the withdrawls or the actual pain that was the worst...whatever it was, I had to go back..

May I ask WHY you want to get off the Methadone if it works? I know, for me, I will most likely take Methadone for the rest of my life....and that's okay for me. It might not be okay for others. I am not giving in to the pain, I have just resigned myself to the fact that the pain will always be a part of my life, and if I want any kind of a life, I have to take something...

Not everyone feels that way, and I applaud anybody that can go through this without taking anything... And....trying to come off of ANY Opiate by yourself is trouble waiting to happen. Not only are the withdrawls awful, but you have to worry about other health problems...like seizures, depression, and added pain. So, please talk to a Dr. about it, they know how to handle these things...
Posted 4/25/2009 11:50 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Hello-Kitty:
Thank you so, so much for all of this information. After reading it, the whole idea makes me a little nervous when there is no guarantee that the subutex would be a better pain reliever for me than methadone. Both my maternal/fetal specialist and my pain doc, who works with high risk obs, have said that it's ok to stay on methadone if I'm pregnant. Of course, I cringe at the idea and feel guilty about it but they've tried to alleviate my anxiety.
Anyway...I really appreciate you going to the trouble to post all of these sites and this info!!
Best,
Danimal
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