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Posted 4/7/2014 8:18 PM (GMT 0)
Has anyone tried Kratom for WDs And/or pain?
I've been reading up on it, a lot, and it sounds promising....
But then again.... if it sounds to good to be true,... well you know.

I'm wondering if anyone has experience with this?

(If this topic isn't allowed, I'm so sorry.)
Posted 4/7/2014 9:50 PM (GMT 0)
"There is no legitimate medical use for kratom in the
U.S."

KRATOM-
www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drug_chem_info/kratom.pdf
Posted 4/7/2014 9:53 PM (GMT 0)
….there are a couple strains of this….the White vein, and the Red vein. Also there are lots of places on the internet to buy this, and not all of them reputable, so be careful.

Also, it is banned in several countries, but legal here in the USA. However it is on the DEA's list of concern, and there is good reason for it. It is addictive! I would make sure your Dr knows your wanting to try this. I'm guessing they will not allow it.

Just be careful, and make sure you do your homework on it! I did try it, and it did nothing for me, plus I read up a little more, and decided it is not for me.

There are several herbs that may be beneficial in reducing inflammation,…..again do your homework on them. My wife and I both have added Magnesium and Valerian Root to our daily supplement intake. I recently had a short hospital stay, and they too gave me Magnesium in addition to my pain meds. Most people here in the US are short of it in their system according to reports. Ask your Dr about it.

SE
Posted 4/25/2014 5:01 AM (GMT 0)
I'm planning to try this soon...

I've done some research and found many with CP have found use in it.

Doesn't suprise me that the DEA would say that there is no medical use.

They say the same about MJ.

IMO, the DEA(as well as most Pharmaceuticals that would rather you buy their own drugs) are not a reliable source at all. Those "addiction" symptoms sound EXACTLY like withdrawl/addiction symptoms with opiods. That DEA article sounds as biased as switching to MSNBC/FOX

Perhaps it won't help me, but it's worth a try.

and even though Kratom is "addictive"... so are all the opiates that most of us CPers take(Tolerance/addiction being interchanged here as from my research the WD symptoms are similiar to opiates)

If you are taking it for pain(just like our opiates) and you aren't over doing it to get "high" then, from my research, your chances of "addiction" are similar, if not less, than opiates.

Done a lot of research on it.

Planning to try the Bali/Thai strain.

ETA:

Don't plan to take my regular pain meds with it. That would be irresponsible. Hoping that I could take Kratom on days where my pain could be better managed with Kratom and leave my other pain meds for days that it becomes MORE than intolerable.

Also, I hope I didn't sound harsh to ScreamingEagle or Mercy. :)

You SHOULD be careful with anything you decide to take. Do research. :)

Post Edited (MrJNT) : 4/24/2014 11:19:55 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/25/2014 11:50 AM (GMT 0)
First and foremost everything I have read suggests highly that you do Not use opiates while using it. That being said I highly suggest you consult your PM or whomever is writing your narcotics since your not likely to be taking your pain meds as prescribed and that's a violation of your contract!!

There seems to be a big hype over this at the moment but rest assured if it's on the watch list of any one of those powers that control our lives you could find at anytime it's moved into the illegal category leaving you up that proverbial creek!! If you have found to have lost your PM in your search for a better way by violating your contract your still up that creek but may find yourself without even the boat must less the paddle! ...
Posted 4/25/2014 4:31 PM (GMT 0)
I'm not violating my contract. My meds are RX on an as needed basis.

Its been in the "watch list" for years as well...but I suppose it could end up illegal if pharmaceutical companies end up lobbying hard enough.

As far as losing pm over it? I find that highly unlikely. For starters, my contract states not to use other opiates(illicit or RX) or other controlled substances. Kratom is neither.



Again, I do plan to talk to my pm pa and doc about it.

Also...if your post wasn't directed at me then never mind lol

You do make good points to not take opiates with it(also would suggest not taking ANY other CNS depressant with it till you know how it affects you)

While I strongly feel people should do their own research, I don't see where the hesistency about this comes from. There are no known deaths from this from what I researched(well kinda on...but the person was on ALL kind of other medications).

Is it because of the DEA's watchlist stance? Since they have their tendrils in our healthcare?

Anyways, to reinforce NY points...

I don't see it as a miracle cure.
Agree to be careful and do research.
Talk with your docs.

:-)
Posted 4/25/2014 7:54 PM (GMT 0)
Just out of curiosity I Google's death's related to kratom and lo and behold found some. So be sure you look into those as it seems they are mostly related to other substances interacting and not all benzos or opiate.

I personally could care less what treatment anyone seeks to use in their search for relief but rest assured just as the bath salts, the stuff folks were smoking that was not to be used for human consumption, the powers that be will eventually intervene. They're not going to allow an exported good to thrive and bring monetary gain to those in other countries. Whether they decide it's worth the price of trials here to outweigh profits can only wait to be seen.
Posted 4/25/2014 11:24 PM (GMT 0)
I feel it's a bit one sided to compare bath salts and spice to Kratom...

Kratom has been used for thousands of years, along with marijuana and opiates.

And sure, the powers that be may intervene. Big Pharma would rather we take what they have for sell.

Also, I'm not sure what you found...but the deaths I found were from Kratom mixed with nasty stuff(like synthetic tramadol).

Just like the opiates we take are supposedly linked to thousands upon thousands of death due to mixing with substances irresponsibly.

And why care less? I feel as CPers we should be compassionate about eachother's journeys. :)
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