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Posted 12/15/2009 12:46 AM (GMT 0)
nono yeah Well over the weekend? Saturday I tried(some VEGAN FOOD)We ate a sandwich that had zuccini, onions, green pepper and fita cheese. All roasted in oven and soughrdough bread and extra virgin oil to cook with. Half way thru the sandwich I felt like it wasnt agreeing with me. about 1/2 hr later my stomach hurt so bad. By the end of the night I took a phenegran and hydrocodone.

The next morning felt semi-ok, drank a little decaf coffee, later on took 1/2 a phenegran. So as I was so stupid. I made a beet,carrot and apple smoothie. Drank about 1/2 a cup. By that afternoon I had severe bowel cramps and went to the bathroom like I had intestinal flu if you know what I mean. That was sunday.

By monday a.m. had another bout in the bathroom and was sick at work all day today and ate crackers and water. Over a 2 day period I managed to loose 3 more pounds, so now Im down to 105pds.

I cant believe I got so sick off of natural stuff. I have my endoscopy thursday. I swear if they say Sorry cant find nothin. I dont know if I can take it again. I am getting so depressed. I cant even stand to look at myself in the mirror. Im so angry and irritable, I feel like I cant think straight or my words are hard to think of? I dont know if thats from lack of food?? or what and it's not good when I work for a doctor and Im screwing up.

Even the girls at work bought me extra small scrubs and the pants are hanging off of me. I guess Im just losing it.  OK> IM sorry for the pity trip. Any help or advice? I do think I need to try the SCD diet.

THANK YOU ALL

Posted 12/15/2009 12:54 AM (GMT 0)
Things like veggies and fruits are VERY VERY hard for your stomach to digest. You need to make sure you chew those foods until  it's liquid.  Even smoothies give me horrible cramps and such, fruit has a lot of sugar in it.
Posted 12/15/2009 1:03 AM (GMT 0)
Same thing with me.... "good food" (like, raw fruits and veggies, sometimes even cooked) are very fibrous and hard to digest. Most of the time I'm better off eating some white bread toast and calling it a day. Frustrating!
Posted 12/15/2009 1:05 AM (GMT 0)
If you're already having difficulty in eating then starting off with vegetables and fruits in terms of healthy eating will only make things worse. Like Mag said, those are extremely hard on the digestive system. Even when I'm doing really well I have to be careful about an overload in fresh food.

Are you trying to stay strictly vegan or can you eat things like eggs and chicken??

As for the vegetables, if you still want to try them, I've noticed that cooking them until VERY soggy with olive oil, garlic, and sea salt is a safer and tasty way to get them.

Keep us updated.
Posted 12/15/2009 1:29 AM (GMT 0)
I am in remission and cannot eat those type of foods, so for someone who is in a flare to eat them..........I can only imagine the pain. Sorry!
Posted 12/15/2009 2:22 AM (GMT 0)
I stay away from high fibre foods. I've had Chrons for 23 yrs, I eat junk food like plain potato chips to gain weight. Yoghurt helps the stomache because it has bacteria in it. I stay away from foods with chemicals. Garlic is one that is really hard on my stomche. Stress makes crohns worse. I've had 3 surgeries. I am on Remicade infusions and it helps lots


I have Firbro but my boyfriend has crohns and wanted to reply to you.
Posted 12/15/2009 3:03 AM (GMT 0)
Raw fruits and veggies on a bad gut aren't a good idea. Cook them until they are mushy, and then puree them. Easy to digest fruit are apples and pears. Easy to digest veggies are zuccinis, spinach, and butternut squash. You can even run them through a food mill to remove any fiber and make it soft as baby food.

Can you tolerate almond butter (easier to digest then peanut butter)? That would help with weight gain. Coconut oil would help too, as well as olive oil. If you make yogurt from 1/2/ and 1/2 (or even full cream), that will add a ton of calories.

Also, maybe your intestines are not the primary problem (hence why they can't find anything). For instance, I know someone at another board who suffers from major gut problems brought on by Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction and neuromuscular degeneration. How is your pancreas and gallbladder?
Posted 12/15/2009 3:25 AM (GMT 0)
I have to echo everyone else....veggies hurt. about the only one that doesn't kill me is cooked carrots. Fresh fruit tends to hurt a lot too, but oddly enough fruit cocktail in a can is just fine. *boggles*
Posted 12/15/2009 3:48 AM (GMT 0)
Onions literally produce METHANE gas as they as digested in the gut! Unless you are in competition with a cow...I'd leave 'em alone! Besides you wouldn't want to humiliate a cow would you? I couldn't touch the peppers either...however, that sandwich sounds awesome! I don't know your personal crohns history but try a liquid diet the first day your stomach goes haywire(no or little sugar and definetly stay away from artificial sweetners), then follow the second day with a BRAT diet...bananas, applesauce, white rice and white toast. The third day try small amounts of acceptable foods puree style and see if that straightens you out some. As far as your concentration levels...sounds like you may be dehydrated as well as your blood sugar may be low. Drink loads of filtered water when you are like this as well. It helps keep your energy up by keeping you hydrated and also helps bulk up the stool. Last but not least you may want to try some of the fiber supplements instead of the veggies all together. Oh, and if you can tolerate them, Boost drinks are nice in between meals to help put the weight back on too. Good Luck!
Posted 12/15/2009 5:07 AM (GMT 0)
Me, too. If I had a smoothie with all the raw veggies mentioned, I'd probably be in bed for a week--and I have what's considered to be "moderate" Crohn's. Before I was diagnosed, I used to adore fruit. Now, every once in a while, I get a terrible craving for fruit. I usually do ok with canned peaches or pears, but if I eat any (peeled and seeded) raw fruit, I pay for it for a couple of days afterwards. Breaks my heart, but that's the way it is. As for raw veggies, a big serving of salad is always a big mistake, too.

Just because it's natural doesn't mean it will make you feel better. Sad, but true.
Posted 12/15/2009 5:35 AM (GMT 0)
One person's health food is another person's poison. Even "healthy" people can't always eat everything that is supposed to be good for you. Whole grain bread may be great for me but could kill my friend with the gluten allergy.

My otherwise healthy husband would be sick as could be if he ate a sandwich with onions and green peppers on it. They just don't work for him.

Figure out what you can eat and consider that your healthy food. Whatever you can digest and absorb nutrients from is the best food for you right now. It's only healthy food if it doesn't make you sick.
Posted 12/15/2009 2:50 PM (GMT 0)
Well said Dagger
Posted 12/15/2009 3:15 PM (GMT 0)
I just have to echo what has already been said. Just because it's good for you doesn't mean you can digest it easily. Try keeping a food diary, it might help you sort out what you can and can't eat.

I would LOVE to have a great big salad about now.
Posted 12/15/2009 4:03 PM (GMT 0)
I just want to add, if a Vegan diet helped Crohns, we would all be on it. It's honestly probably the worst thing you could do for yourself. Sounds stupid, I know....like another person said, one persons food is another persons poison.  Stick with bland foods, rice, bread, eggs, potatoes ect ect.  Did you start a Vegan diet in hopes of helping your Crohns or for other reasons? If it was just to try to control your Crohns stop now, your gut cannot handle it.
Posted 12/15/2009 4:53 PM (GMT 0)
Unfortunately there is a reason why it is called roughage, in part because it is very rough on your gut. Something to think about your tender gut what would you feed a tottler or someone with the flu? Especially before prep...ouchie! I am sorry I did not remember that you were doing prep so soon.   Please think about what is comfortable food when you have the stomach flu is it something like ...pudding, soup, mash potatoes, jello, etc?  I do encourage you to feel out what you feel is best for you, because you are your own best advocate and doctor.

My main concern is that the endoscope that the doctors are doing on thursday is not the 18 foot scope. Do you know if it is the 3 foot one? Have you had the pill camera done?
Hugs,
Navy

Posted 12/16/2009 2:03 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you everyone for the info. I did try some vegan food out of desperation with (undiagnosed chrons). I would sell my left arm to feel human again. Im trying things out of desperation. I dont know the length of the scope they are using? But I am gonna tell them to do biopsy's again. It,s been almost 4 yrs since they did that. The only thing since then is im out 30 pds lighter and my igg and iga antibodies for chrons are high. I dont understand everytime they do blood for inflammation the last 6 months at least, its normal. But Igg and IGA got higher in 6 months.

When my stomach hurts really really bad I start to run 99.0 fever. Im a 97.6 (low temp person) normally. And when I dont hurt anymore(HA HA) fever goes away. Also I know people say you before a scope eat something bad and some say it doesnt matter. But I am never hurting when like I do at home when I've had a scope. I know I shouldnt but I want to eat something bad to make sure no matter what, when I have my bad stomach it will be happening when I have my scope. Well anyway any advice. I WOULD LOVE. I AM SO DOWN! and tired after 4 yrs of no answers. I havent had the pill cam. Someone said if scope doesnt help AGAIN. To see a immunologist to find out why IGG and IGA (saccromyces cervasie) is so very very high .I just dont understand how I can be so sick in the stomach and bowels and those blood levels high and they say they cant find anything. How much longer do I need to suffer?

Honestly, Im so scared because if I didnt have 3 kids who need me I dont think I could keep doing this. It has destroyed my life, I cant have a relationship, and I can barely get thru work. And I still have the back problem from last month(5 bulging disc, and 2 disc tore and leaking fluid) I still havent went to back dr. for that....Crazy. I spend every day caring for people in a dr's office and cant get help for myself. Ive seriously thought after scope depending on what they say, taken a medical leave for a short time to just somewhat stablize. I go to work and come home and crash and never can rest to get some what better and I know thats contributing. OK!!! IM DONE. LOL MAKING MYSELF SICK TO LISTEN. LOL

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH......
Posted 12/16/2009 2:13 PM (GMT 0)
Please ask them to do the long endo (18 foot) or the pill cam
Posted 12/17/2009 3:54 AM (GMT 0)
always makes me frustrated when people that have no clue what crohns is other than knowing it is a digestive problem question why I can eat the chips but not a salad...they look as thoguh I am bringing on the disease because of my food choices...sheesh...not that i could always tolerate chips..not till remission, but even in remission can not tolerate a salad lol- best of luck to you with the scope
Posted 12/17/2009 2:54 PM (GMT 0)
Foods are different for everyone, I can not touch applesauce or a banana even on a good day without ending up curled up on the floor the rest of the day, I can however eat peppers and onions no problem. I cannot eat iceberg lettuce but I can eat leaf lettuce, raw spinach greens and arugula no problem, Weird!
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