do you believe?

if someone plays mind games with you and makes up excuses all the time and lies they will be like that with you forever? they will never change?

Melanie,

manipulative people rarely change, sorry.

Peace
Trina

People generally do not change. As sad as it is, you definitely need understand that for someone to change, they would have to want to change, and for the mostpart, manipulative people do not feel they are manipulative in the first place, so they do not feel the need to change.