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Posted 12/16/2005 12:27 PM (GMT 0)
Dear All:

I am a type 2 diabetic looking towards good glucose control. I plan to eat fruits (especially apples and bananas) almost as staple foods. For example, today I consumed approximately 4 apples and 5 bananas - although at timed intervals.

Are there any specific sources of danger in this? I must mention that I am also trying to loose some weight through diet and exercise.

Regards
Posted 12/16/2005 12:50 PM (GMT 0)
Atually a balanced diet would be better,as fruits do add sugar.
Posted 12/16/2005 3:31 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, I agree. I beleive you are referring to fructose. But what is the maximum amount permissible?
Posted 12/16/2005 7:56 PM (GMT 0)

AM_BD said...
Yes, I agree. I beleive you are referring to fructose. But what is the maximum amount permissible?

Do you check your blood sugar throughout the day?  If so, you would realize that lots of fruit will raise your blood sugar significantly.

My doc told me when I was first dx'd that fasting blood sugar in the morning should be 110 or less.  2 hours postprandial (after a meal) 140 or less and to strive for a goal of 120 average daily.

I eat a little fruit, more veggies, protein, fats and as much fiber as I can stand.  I usually eat a packet of oatmeal in the morning but if I want a fiber cereal, I put berries and some Splenda on it.  Berries and apples are good fruits for diebetics but in moderation.  They are low to medium on the glycemic scale. 

I would basically check the blood sugar up to 6 times a day to start and then you will get a feel for what to eat and what to avoid.

Make sense?

Posted 12/16/2005 8:58 PM (GMT 0)
GG pretty well said it all. Fruits are great and healthy for non-diabetics. Well, us too if it was not for the elevated BG's. The best thing is to find out for yourself. Eat what you think you should have and test, test and then test again. It will pop out at you that there is a limit on what fruit you can eat. I love fruit but limit myself to little amounts in something else. I believe the best education is what you learn by experience.

Personally(that's what "I" means doesn't it) don't find the range of 140 two hours after eating to be acceptable. I could eat a lot more if that was ok. My own goal is to remain as close to 'normal' as my habits will allow. Even a little over the normal A1c range of 4.2 to 4.6 puts you at risk for heart problems(in time). I am currently at 5.4 and don't say out of some ivory tower I live in. I know my numbers are not bad, but not good either

Again, test and make up your mind on your own observations. You will become a believer in the different approaches to diet when you see it for yourself.
Posted 12/16/2005 10:44 PM (GMT 0)

desertdiabetic said...
GG pretty well said it all. Fruits are great and healthy for non-diabetics. Well, us too if it was not for the elevated BG's. The best thing is to find out for yourself. Eat what you think you should have and test, test and then test again. It will pop out at you that there is a limit on what fruit you can eat. I love fruit but limit myself to little amounts in something else. I believe the best education is what you learn by experience.

Personally(that's what "I" means doesn't it) don't find the range of 140 two hours after eating to be acceptable. I could eat a lot more if that was ok. My own goal is to remain as close to 'normal' as my habits will allow. Even a little over the normal A1c range of 4.2 to 4.6 puts you at risk for heart problems(in time). I am currently at 5.4 and don't say out of some ivory tower I live in. I know my numbers are not bad, but not good either

Again, test and make up your mind on your own observations. You will become a believer in the different approaches to diet when you see it for yourself.

I think your a1c number is good.  Mine run from 5.5 to 5.8 here lately and I feel real good. 

Posted 12/17/2005 3:31 AM (GMT 0)
AM_BD,

Did your doctor give you a food plan to follow? Have you had your classes with a dietician? You can't really find your way through this whole heathy eating thing until you get some more food education. Speak with your doctor, local health department, go to the library, get ahold of a Weight Watchers menu, any or all of these things will help you.

Basically you need to balance the amount of carbohydrates, fats and proteins you eat to remain healthy and you must also balance your vitamin and mineral intake as well. To do this you need to learn which foods are carbohydrates. For instance, milk is counted as a carb source for a meal, as is bread, pasta, fruit and many vegetables. I had to learn to 'reclassify' some of my foods. Potatoes and corn are considered carbs, not vegetables. Brocolli is very low carb, but has carbs none the less. Carrots have some degree of carbs in them, but the vitamins they hold make the carb load worth it. To lose weight you will need to lower the amounts of all the foods you eat while still maintaining the amounts you need for tissue repair and energy.

It isn't super simple to learn all this so you should get a class as soon as you can. If it's not covered on your insurance then I'd ask the doctor for a food plan so you can start learning.
Posted 12/17/2005 5:53 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks for your expert opinions. They were well appreciated.
Posted 12/17/2005 5:45 PM (GMT 0)

You should eat more vegetables rather than a lot of fruit. I know that a study done on humans using CR has effectively cured a person in one study done by luigi Fontana. They restricted calaries by 20% and eat only food high in nutrition. Avoid Refined sugars, the majority of carbs should come from Complex Carbs like sweet potato, Oats (porridge) and Eat a lot of vegetables, healthy fats like Olive Oil, Flax oil or Fish oil, some fruits and good protein sources such as fish and chicken.

at the end of the study the person had results that was well within normal limits and was not considered a diabetic anymore aslong as she kept it up. This all happened within a year of the study.

Taking Trans-Resveratrol before about 20-30 minutes before a meal also prevents glucose spikes. Could lower glucose by 10% post meal and fasting.
Green Tea or an extract of it will also help your condition!  

If you have any questions please feel free to email me!  I am part of one of these studies doing CR and have gained some good knowledge in nutrition over past year while being part of the study.

Watch the video on the left, this was one of the studies! http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?ei=UTF-8&fr=sfp&p=calorie+restriction

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