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Posted 1/7/2014 12:01 AM (GMT 0)
It is interesting that most if not all of the symptoms of Fibromyalgia seem to deficiency symptoms of one sort or another.

Muscle pain Vitamin D
debilitating Fatigue Vitamin D
sleep distubance Magnesium
Joint stiffness Magnesium
Depression Magnesium
Low energy Magnesium
Numbness Tingling Magnesium
Cognitive function Magnesium
Anxiety Magnesium

http://naturalsociety.com/16-magnesium-deficiency-symptoms-signs-low-levels/
http://www.healthy.co.nz/ailment/2062-magnesium.html http://www.livestrong.com/article/502019-magnesium-deficiency-joint-pain/ http://nutritionalmagnesium.com/articles/magnesium-deficiency/182-the-impact-of-magnesium-deficiency-on-well-being.html
http://drsircus.com/medicine/magnesium/magnesium-deficiency-symptoms-diagnosis

So the question is could FMS simply be a deficiency – if so why has it not been diagnosed or cured yet ? I think the answer is yes FMS is likely a simple magnesium deficiency –

Magnesium is needed for the body to synthesise Vitamin D so it causes a d deficiency too

Cause of Chronic magnesium deficiency - Fibromyaligia Cfs MS

If a person has extreme mental or physical stress, magnesium is released from their blood cells and goes into the blood plasma. From there, it's excreted into the urine.Chronic stress depletes their body of magnesium even further, leading to an acute magnesium deficiency . The greater your level of stress, the greater the loss of magnesium.The lower your initial magnesium level is, the more reactive to stress you become, and the higher your level of adrenaline in stressful situations. Higher adrenaline causes greater loss of magnesium from cells, creating a vicious cycle.

http://www.healthy.net/Health/Essay/Magnesium_The_Stress_Reliever/74

There are three main reason why it has not been diagnosed

1- only 1% of magnesium is stored in the blood so it generally cannot be picked up with a simple blood test. - so even if you are chronically low in magnesium a Blood test may indictae that your magnesium levels are normal

2- Magnesium is hard for the body to absorb – it cannot be absorbed in large doses and needs a other nutrients to aid it absorption

http://markzangel.wix.com/get-well#!fms-more-info/c15ct

http://www.ancient-minerals.com/magnesium-deficiency/need-more/
Posted 1/7/2014 12:58 AM (GMT 0)
Hi, Smart, and welcome. No, fibro is more that that. It is felt that it is a neurological problem. I take large doses of magnesium malate and also vitamin D3 and still have pain...but not as much pain. These help with fatigue, too. So does gentle stretching and gentle exercise.

Magnesium malate is one of the easiest magnesium so to be absorbed since it is bound with malic acid which is found in apples. The body recognizes it as food and it's absorbed easier and is easier on the digestive system. Magnesium oxide is the hardest to be absorbed and I think only about twenty percent of it is absorbed.

When you get a chance, please read Fibro 101...the first thread on the forum. There are good links to info about fibro and you can learn a lot there. When you first open Fibro 101 you will find an interview with Dr. Daniel Clauw who I so e of the top doctors studying fibromyalgia. He thoroughly explains what they think is happening. There are also links about magnesium malate and also Vitamin D3 and how they work in our bodies. All of Fibro 101 is good so do read it.

I'm looking forward to getting to know you better. Don't hesitate to ask questions because we are here to help you. Hope to hear more from you soon.

Sherrine
Posted 1/7/2014 3:48 AM (GMT 0)
Dear Sherrine

Thank you very much for replying to my post and explaining all those things to me I appreciate that.

I read through Fibro 101 as you suggested - its very interesting and noticed that FMS is understood to be a heightened sensitivity to pain.

I am happy to see that you have benefited from taking magnesium and Malic acid supplements.

Like yourself probably I have done a fair amount of research in FMS.I even asked to God to guide me in my research.

I will tell you about my research maybe it will be of some benefit to you

My research centered mostly around what helped others.

While some had random things that helped them - Magnesium, malic acid and vitamin D where common factors in what helped many.

Also I looked into those that had claimed to be cured of the disease - Although all that claimed cures were rejected by most with FMS as not having it in the first place.

But noticed those that claimed cures basically fitted into three groups

1) Those who went on vegetarian diets
2) Those who went on raw food diets
3) those who tried organic diets

and then there where some that discovered they had celiac disease.

Those three diets have one thing in common they are all high in magnesium.

Further to that I read about a FMS patient that although she was taking vitamin D and magnesium decided to get a blood test for vitamin D and her levels where so low that even though she was taking supplements she was not taking enough she was put on mega doses that almost extinguished her symptoms.

While quite a number have claimed to extinguish their symptoms through diet change none to my knowledge have done so through taking supplements.

So could it be maybe that we need magnesium in our food to get our levels up.

So I would recommend a high magnesium diet over at least a three month period.

This would involve trying to get around 500mg magnesium a day - The optimum recommended amount and avoiding all magnesium consuming food

basically you would need around 100 mg of magnesium in every meal

Breakfast - 100mg - Such as organic oats

morning snack 100mg

lunch 100mg

afternoon snack 100mg

Dinner 100mg

evening snack 50mg

Of course you would need to also avoid negative foods - refined sugars & diuretics.

I know you said you take D3 which is the best to take have you had a D3 blood test

Even though I do not suffer from FMS i tried this diet and am still following myself - with great benefits

Improved energy -Hardly get tired before I could only last about 30 - 45 mins on the touch field - now I can last hours even though the only change is my diet

Improved moods even when bad things happened still remained postiVE AND IN HIGH SPIRITS

Possibly improved pain tolerance - I dislocated my shoulder for the first time while on this diet and the only pain killers I had was morphine when they put it back in. Other than that I never needed or had any pain relief - slept well every night.

I could be way off tract with this but would appreciate your thoughts

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnesium-HealthProfessional/

http://markzangel.wix.com/get-well#!diet/c24vq

Warmest regards

Mark
Posted 1/7/2014 8:08 AM (GMT 0)
Interesting. I don't think that the deficiency is causing it or the other way around, but more likely whatever is causing one is causing the other? Since treating the deficiency doesn't fully help but our sensitive bodies are better off when things like vitamins/diet/sleep are in line.

I always appreciate a good read about things like this. I just asked my Socorro today about magnesium and he said there isn't enough data on it, my thought was well it seems to help a crap ton of people , what kind of data do you want? He also seems skeptical that gluten free diet has helped me as much as it has. Skeptical probably isn't the correct word but maybe just not as optimistic as I am, well maybe if he felt how I felt he'd sing a different tune.
Posted 1/7/2014 11:23 AM (GMT 0)
Mark,

Welcome to the forum. I do have to state that we keep all diet talk and food talk on one thread. I will find it for you and bump it up. I believe it is called the "food thread" or something like that...

I do believe that magnesium does help a lot. But many have tried the malic acid and not everybody was helped by it. Many were though which was great...

I wish you the best... Thank you for the information...

Hugs, Karen...

I bumped it up for you... "diet and food thread"... I think, it is too early actually for my brain. Not enough coffee yet. LOL...
Posted 1/9/2014 7:38 PM (GMT 0)
Hi everyone

This is such a great Forum. I have spoken to others with these conditions and they are so close minded.

So well done to you all !!! Proverbs 15:14
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 The heart of him who has understanding seeks knowledge,
But the mouth of fools feeds on foolishness.

Just to address the two issues raised thus far - Fms is a neurological problem. True I agree - But low magnesium actually causes neurological problems

http://www.ancient-minerals.com/magnesium-deficiency/symptoms-signs/

For those of you who are taking Magnesium supplements maybe its just that you are not absorbing enough.

To fully benefit from magnesium supplements you need to cut down refined sugar

Refined sugar is not only a zero magnesium product but it also causes the body to excrete magnesium through the kidneys. The process of producing refined sugar from sugar cane removes molasses, stripping the magnesium content entirely.

and caffeine

Magnesium levels are controlled in the body in large part by the kidneys, which filter and excrete excess magnesium and other minerals. But caffeine causes the kidneys to release extra magnesium regardless of body status.

Also it would be best to take the supplements in small doses throughout the day along with vitamin c to aid absorption.

Just briefly a few reasons that point to FMS being a severe magnesium deficiency.

1) Symptoms match

2) High stress leads to a magnesium deficiency - High stress usually triggers FMS

http://www.healthy.net/Health/Essay/Magnesium_The_Stress_Reliever/74

3) Magnesium supplements helps most sufferers of Fms

4) Some Fms who have tried high magnesium diets have claimed cures - Raw food , Paleo , Vegan

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/fibromyalgia-discussions/medicine-treatments/10522252-curing-fibromyalgia-with-diet

Peace and love to you all

Mark
Posted 1/9/2014 7:40 PM (GMT 0)
i am not deficient in either and I still have pain and fatigue :o(
Posted 1/9/2014 7:44 PM (GMT 0)
What to eat – the body absorbs magnesium best if its taken in regularly so aim to have high magnesium in every meal

Few guidelines These are only guidelines and of course if you have celiac disease or other sensitivities then you will need to adjust accordingly Whole and organic foods are high in magnesium

so eat

Whole wheat bread (home made is the best)
Brown rice go organic if possible
Whole grain oats – organic is best
Beans are also good
nuts especially Brazil nuts almonds and cashews
Peanut butter
Bananas
Green leafy vegetables esp spinach.
Seeds – sunflower and pumpkin seeds there is a good product
LSA – it is consists of linseed sunflower and almond ground, from a health food shop

Here are a few meals that are high in Magnesium

Of course these are only a guide but try to have around 100mg of Magnesium in every meal - - 500 mg is
the optimum recommended daily intake

Breakfast

If you have toast for breakfast have whole wheat toast and have peanut butter or baked beans on it.
If you like cereal have two tablespoons of lsa in your cereal every morning.
Organic Whole grain oats is also a great breakfast
Have at least one piece of fruit with your breakfast

A great meal is a mashed banana and two table spoons of lsa with milk or unsweetened yoghurt

Snack

Have nuts to snack on especially almonds cashews or brazil nuts I have them with Sultanas and fruit too. Bananas have a high level of magnesium – I try to have a minimum of three different fruits every day.

If you limit you snacks to nuts you will get quite high levels of magnesium

Lunch

If you are having bread make sure its whole wheat – if its potato make sure the skin in on have at least one piece of fruit with your lunch – brown rice cakes are also good. Peanut butter and Tuna are good choices to have on your bread.

Dinner

Along with other vegetables have a large helping of beans – mixed if possible and spinage with your meal –
If you can get dry beans they are relativley cheap

They need to be soaked over night and some beans need boiled for at least 10 minutes to remove toxins

also use brown rice ( organic is best) and if you are preparing mash potato leave the skin on – I normally have about 2 cups of beans and a large helping of spinage with each evening meal

Drinks

you can try caffeine free drinks such as Inka or Caro Also hot Chocolate is a very good drink buy cooking chocolate though with 100 % cocoa or plain water is a good alternative to

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/food/magnesium-foods.htm

http://markzangel.wix.com/get-well#!diet/c24vq
Posted 1/9/2014 7:53 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Wackers34

Thanks for your comment

There's no lab test that will give you a truly accurate reading of the magnesium status in your tissues. Only one percent of magnesium in your body is distributed in your blood, making a simple sample of magnesium from a blood test highly inaccurate.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/17/magnesium-benefits.aspx

A reliable way to tell you have a magnesium deficiency is by its symptoms.

http://www.ancient-minerals.com/magnesium-deficiency/need-more/

Peace and Love

Mark
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