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Posted 1/31/2011 6:55 PM (GMT 0)
Yup. Coconuts too. The body absorbs oil easier transdermally than in the gut when you eat it. But i need to use *something* otherwise im out of work. So mineral oil it is!

I totally know how you feel on the food. I have a diet of about 5 things. :-(
Posted 2/2/2011 3:40 AM (GMT 0)
so frustrating! I try to be so good only to find something I think is safe has something in it I am not supposed to have! Grrr....
Posted 8/6/2016 5:35 PM (GMT 0)
I don't have Lyme but I have two friends who do. I discovered that the symptoms are not actually caused by the tic bite and bacteria but the Epstein Barr virus which is hiding somewhere in the body waiting for an opportune moment to create havoc. When there is stress, whether emotional or physical, or an operation, or a tic bite, the EB virus takes advantage and attacks the whole body, particularly the nervous system. Doctors don't know this and are only treating the bacteria, often with heavy antibiotics. The virus needs to be dealt with as well! Certain foods help, and also supplements, but i have just discovered that bio magnetic therapy can eliminate the virus. Whoever may be interested to look further, check out this therapy and also the book called Medical Medium by Anthony William.
I have fibromyalgia and the book has answered many of my questions. EB causes most auto immune conditions, which includes Lyme, chronic fatigue, fibro, thyroiditis, MS, RA, etc. I have had a couple of bio magnetic treatments and the difference is my health is amazing! I feel normal for the first time in my life.
Worth a look. Good luck everyone.
Posted 8/6/2016 6:01 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Natalied,
Welcome to our community!
Actually, it is the bacteria that causes the symptoms of Lyme. EBV is a very common viral infection for everyone (95% of the US population will test positive), and those with Lyme often suffer from very high levels of this and other viruses - but those are separate from what Lyme can and does do.

Also, as the Lyme bacteria dies, it releases endotoxins that also cause a lot of serious symptoms as well.

Lyme itself is not an autoimmune condition though, it's a bacterial infection. Many of the conditions you mention are common misdiagnoses of Lyme and other tick-borne infections, and some of those that have been diagnosed with those conditions have actually healed using Lyme treatments. Their stories are all over forums like this one and in many, many blogs.

We certainly do appreciate your thoughts though, but this is a 5 year old thread, and back then we weren't as aware of the role of viruses in most Lyme infections.

We do thank you for your thoughts and recommendation of bio magnetic therapy - we have members that use that to help them heal as well.

I'm so glad that you are feeling much better!! Congratulations!! May it only continue! :-)
Posted 8/8/2016 9:39 PM (GMT 0)
I do realise that the medical profession believes that the symptoms of Lyme are caused by the bacteria. However, if you look at this book, it mentions that the bacteria are the catalyst for the EBV. The information in the book is new and it's good if we keep an open mind on this. It certainly makes a lot of sense to me.

I see that you have cured yourself twice from Lyme. May I ask what is the herbal treatment you used?

Thanks for pointing out that the thread is 5 years old :-) I was researching how massage can increase the symptoms, which is did once for me (fibro - EBV), and I don't have the bacteria.
Posted 8/8/2016 9:47 PM (GMT 0)
Believe me, I do have an open mind! Otherwise I wouldn't have healed from these infections as I had to find my own treatments because antibiotics failed me and they were the only known option back then.

You can see what I used to heal in this thread - which is also at the bottom of each of my posts:
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364

Many of us with Lyme have high viral loads, and yes, they do cause symptoms, but not the symptoms of Lyme, only a few of them.

And I'd like to caution you about assuming you don't have Lyme if you have Fibro. Not every person that has a Fibro diagnosis has Lyme, but a good portion do. I have had the diagnosis of many things, including Fibro for the last 23 or so years - and it was Lyme the whole time. I've also been told that I had "off the charts" results on my EBV titers, but that alone wasn't what was wrong - it was the tick-borne infections that were keeping me ill. Once those were treated, it was easy enough to keep the EBV under control using Lysine, and I have no symptoms of Fibro any longer. Fibro doesn't heal, so that's the only thing that makes sense - and many others have discovered the same thing.

For those with toxins in their muscles, from whatever, massage can make their symptoms worse as it will help 'release' the toxins. Do you detox? You will likely find that helpful. Here is a link with some detoxing suggestions that we all use:
www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html
Posted 8/8/2016 10:26 PM (GMT 0)

natalied said...
I don't have Lyme but I have two friends who do. I discovered that the symptoms are not actually caused by the tic bite and bacteria but the Epstein Barr virus which is hiding somewhere in the body waiting for an opportune moment to create havoc. When there is stress, whether emotional or physical, or an operation, or a tic bite, the EB virus takes advantage and attacks the whole body, particularly the nervous system. Doctors don't know this and are only treating the bacteria, often with heavy antibiotics. The virus needs to be dealt with as well! Certain foods help, and also supplements, but i have just discovered that bio magnetic therapy can eliminate the virus. Whoever may be interested to look further, check out this therapy and also the book called Medical Medium by Anthony William.
I have fibromyalgia and the book has answered many of my questions. EB causes most auto immune conditions, which includes Lyme, chronic fatigue, fibro, thyroiditis, MS, RA, etc. I have had a couple of bio magnetic treatments and the difference is my health is amazing! I feel normal for the first time in my life.
Worth a look. Good luck everyone.

Hi there Natalie!

I agree that many people are struggling with high viral loads. Like Traveler mentioned, some 90% of the population over 30 or so has acquired EBV and for herpes viruses it's in the 70 percentile, CMV is commonly carried by ticks...

We are great hosts for viruses. I have struggled with viruses my entire life so I know most of the symptoms inside and out - starting from when I was young and since the tick bite they have created an additional burden while also dealing with Lyme & Co infections.

I can also assure you many people have BOTH Lyme & coinfections AND EBV and each pathogen requires a unique protocol. Also, Lyme symptoms are generally quite different for most people than EBV symptoms. I control my EBV and other viruses with antiviral Rx and sometimes w/ herbs although that is evolving. And my Lyme & bart sx, which are pretty well managed via antibiotics right now.

I haven't read the book but the medical profession isn't "confused" with contributing Lyme to a bacterial presence. I think the science is pretty clear on that. I will agree that it is VERY difficult to know all the pathogens that might be afflicting us.

But Lyme specialists, who know what they're doing and the patients they treat, follow the science that connects symptom load to Lyme & co and they see a change in those symptoms with the correct antibiotic protocol. This isn't the only way to heal but that affect on symptoms isn't imagined or explained away by a viral load. My protocol does rely on both antibacterials and antivirals.

-p
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