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Posted 6/30/2011 5:11 PM (GMT 0)
This one's kinda new for me - I have this moderate numbness/tingling in my forearms that extend from the pinky fingers on both sides up to just below the elbow. This is either a Lyme symptom, a med side-effect or de-tox/herx. Any takers? What is it?  There seems to be no loss of strength or movement just the odd sensations. I weight-trained at lunch time even with the sensations and was trong as ever - then I ran 5 miles on the treadmill and the symptoms left for a bit only to return about 1/2 hour later.  Is this either of the above or, I guess another possibility could be a co-infection symptom?

Yazzer

Posted 6/30/2011 8:47 PM (GMT 0)
 

Hi Yazzer,

I would guess it's a Lyme symptom.  I've had this type of stuff happen occassionally.  Lyme produces neurotoxins, and it's a neurological symptom.

 

Posted 6/30/2011 10:53 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Yazzer!
Like Lyme14 I would say it could be the Lyme, or it could be from a Bartonella infection. Do you know if you have a Bart infection?

In Dr. Burrascano's paper titled "Advanced Topics in Lyme Disease" he also goes into pretty good detail about the co-infections as well and he stated when "CNS (Central Nervous System) symptoms are out of proportion to the musculoskeletal ones- if a patient has no or minimal joint complaints but is severely encephalopathic (showing symptoms of a brain infection), then think Bartonella/ Bartonella-like infections."

Are you detoxing, dry skin brushing and drinking plenty of lemon water? That would help most likely. I get these feeling lots unfortunately! I also have spots or entire areas or finger/toes go numb. Sometimes they go completely numb, but mostly they just seem to be numb skin deep.

Hope I didn't raise more questions than I tried to answer!! LOL!
Posted 7/1/2011 12:28 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Folks - Traveller, I am new to the Lyme diagnosis but think I have had it a long, long time (I am 51 and have had these symptoms since high school - not consistently, but on-and-off at times of major stress events). The 1st time I had a clue it was Lyme was literall less than 3 weeks ago when I got tested positive ELISA and CDC IGG 41/IGM 41, 39, 23; my CRP was 6.98 but not sure what that means. I am still with my primary Doc but have an appt with an LLMD Wednesday. My primary doc is rather aggressive with Lyme however, having prescribed Amoxicillin at 500 mg 3x/day (agressive compared to most primaries).

I expect to ask the LLMD about co-infections and all sorts of other questions to see if I can ascertain if I am chronic or not. The good news is that I have recovered from such episodes in the past on my own. They would last 6-18 months with neuorlogical symptoms including lack of concentration, panic attacks, brain fog, etc. Not pleaseant but I remained reasonably functional and was able to work and survive! If what I suspect is true, then at least now I know WHY I had these episodes in the past (I grew up in MD where ticks abound and am NOT exaggerating when I say I have probably been bitten over 500x in my life - I do a LOT outside and in the woods).

Bartonella could be it as CNS symptoms are my thing - not physical. BUT, I DON'T have the red streak-like rashes that I know of - is this a prerequisite? I am doing some de-toxing but this seems to be causing me a great deal of herx-like reaction. I am not familiar with the dry-sjkin burshing or the lemon water! I plan to ask my LLMD more about this.

Thanks so much for your continued responses!
Posted 7/1/2011 6:23 AM (GMT 0)
I have the tingling sensations as well.  I get it in my hands and arms a lot.  My doctor told me it's a neurological symptom.  It feels like my arms are asleep.  it's a normal lyme sympton (i have babesia as well).  Ask your doctor for something to help it.  My doctor reccomend a certian over the counter vitimin that has helped a lot.
Posted 7/1/2011 1:52 PM (GMT 0)
Thx Brittany!  Yeah, that's almost exactly what it feels like. Since a lot of my symptoms are neurological (brain fog, hard to concentrate, "buzzing" feeling) that come-and-go, this makes sense. It doesn't really affect me in doing things, just feels odd.
Posted 7/1/2011 2:35 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Yazzer,
No, the rash it not a prerequisite for any of the tick-borne infections.

I know what you mean about going through bouts of symptoms and then they subside some and you can get on with your life - I grew up that way. It wasn't until after the 4 years of chem & radiation and then death that my last husband went through while we were still married, that I had such a relapse that I was bed-bound. Horrible experience! But really big stressors like that

can and do bring LD patients to their knees - this is why I keep encouraging others to get into treatment!! It's also why I'm here! I know what it feels like to be plagued with this so-called mysterious disease. No mystery here - tick bites equal an infection or infections that are deadly to some, others just suffer until they can find someone who will actually care!!

As for the detoxing - a lot of docs, even LLMD's fail to see the importance of them. Here is an article that one LLMD - a very well known and well respected LLMD - wrote about toxins and symptoms: findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_285/ai_n19170382/?tag=content;col1. I believe that you would be doing yourself a big favor if you read through this article!

Best of luck on your appt! I hope that you come away knowing which direction to take!!
Posted 7/1/2011 3:19 PM (GMT 0)
Traveler (love the moniker as it could have so many interesting connotations!):

Thanks for your responses - I feed off this knowledge and experience so much! My two major episodes with Lyme (before I knew it as such) were my divorce 8 years ago but my worst was after our son passed of SIDS in 1993. These episodes indeed nearlyu brought me to my knees. On one hand, I had an "excuse" to feel bad with the major stressors in my life, but, my feeling bad had complex issues that were Lyme-caused. Part I am sure were specifcally Lyme related and part, no doubt my own ability to overlay my own anxiety on top of it all - panic attacks, ZERO sleep, depression, etc. Yet, through it all, somehow, some way, I managed to function in life and make it to work and the like. It was an awful existence, don't get me wrong but I tried literally to take things day-to-day and even minute-to-minute in some cases...uggh
Posted 7/1/2011 3:29 PM (GMT 0)
Traveler:

here is something else with me. I am 51 and have been in pretty good physical shape throughout my life. However, at one point I just gave up and let myself go - ballooning to 280 lbs, high cholesterol, glusose...doc said I was gonna die if I didn't do something. I think I was so sick of the symptoms that I just wallowed in it all. Then, back in 2002, something just hit me that, if I were ever to have any kind of chance to rid myself of these 'demons', then I had to get healthy in a physical sense. It's funny how the body/mind offers these ideas up if we just listen.

I lost 80 lbs (280 to 200), began running, took yoga (and you would not believe how much of a stretch for me to do this having been a good ol' country boy! I actually went to Kripalu by myself on a yoga retreat.), began eating better (cut out all meat except fish), took vitamin and mineral supps, etc. This was just before my divorce which led to my last major episode ...I now think that I might have be herxing back then without even knowing - due to the natural de-toxing and the shake-up to my physical body! I remain to this day very healthy, I run a LOT - 35-40 miles a week. I have cut that in half as I address this Lyme ephipany. In fact, the fact that I was unable to run that much w/o getting too fatigued tipped me off to go to the doc where I (finally) was diagnosed with lyme. This time I did indeed have the bulls eye rash.

Sorry for being so verbose...I'd love to hear your story sometime.
Posted 7/1/2011 7:57 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Yazzer!
Well since you are a good ole country boy, maybe I should divulge that I'm a good ole country gal!!!! smilewinkgrin Giggle!!!

Although I won't go into my full story - much to much to tell here - your story does sound similar to my experiences. Each time I had a major stress event, I went down for the count - a little harder than it sounds like you experienced- but the same still. Why? It's because when our bodies are busy dealing with a major stress event, the tbi's (tick-borne infections) get to come out and really play! smhair Our bodies are so busy trying to deal with everything, that it can't withstand the attack - so down we go. After the birth of each of my kids, I got horribly ill, after my divorce, I got sooo ill, Part I am sure were specifcally Lyme related and part, no doubt my own ability to overlay my own anxiety on top of it all - panic attacks, ZERO sleep, depression, etc. after the death of my second husband - down I went, and on and on and on! UGH!

I too got to a point that I just gave up. That was after a year on abx and the only thing that happened was that I got much, much worse! I didn't know and my LLMD did know about detoxing (that's why I push it!), drinking lots of lemon water, and the dry skin brushing. I now know that I should have been doing those things and just how ill I really was. Fortunately I was already a member here and I was gently guided to know what to do. I took time to heal, then started looking for some kind of treatment I could withstand. That took a while - 2 years, but I did find it. Now I"m healing!!! smilewinkgrin

You said - "Part I am sure were specifcally Lyme related and part, no doubt my own ability to overlay my own anxiety on top of it all - panic attacks, ZERO sleep, depression, etc."
Here's the not so funny part - those are all symptoms of tbi's! You may have been infected for quite a while. It took talking about my health as a child with my mom before I realized that I had RMSF (Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever) without the spots at the age of either 5 or 7 years old! Seems as though my body rarely allows a rash of any type to show. eyes

You said "I tried literally to take things day-to-day and even minute-to-minute in some cases" - and this is how many of us with tbi's have had to get through things!

BTW- the moniker came about because of my email address - artraveler - as in AR Traveler. My hubby and I live a modest life in Arkansas, but before my hubby was disabled, we would travel for his work - so artraveler was 'born'!! Now we stay at home and enjoy our kids, grandchildren, our dogs and -of course- my goats!!! smilewinkgrin Hubby and I are just now to the point with our health that we can have milk goats around!!

Keep on taking good care of you! That will put you in an advantageous position when you do start your treatment. Although, I would highly suggest that you add in detox baths and/or detox foot baths, dry skin brushing, and of course the lemon water!!!

I do hope this actually has some information in it!! Otherwise I'm just rambling again!!! LOL!

smilewinkgrin
Posted 7/1/2011 8:28 PM (GMT 0)
Thx Traveler - now I see where the moniker comes from! I am a Virgo, Aquarius rising so my thirst for understanding people comes naturally! Growing up here in Eastern rural MD - abt 30 miles from the Atlantic, my brother and I were always exploring the countryside. I remember once, when I was about 13 (bro was 12), we came home with literally hundreds of deer tick attyched to our bodies - one reason I remember was the indignation of having to strip down at that age to allow my mom to use tweezers to pull each and every tick off of us! UGHH, again. Ticks were just a natural part of life here...

In high school, I had this strange vertigo, light-headedness and the like - EXACTLY the same symptoms that have hit me at high stress times all my life. That was 1976/77 or so, so no one knew much about Lyme back then. I had every test done in the world from ear nose throat to EEGs, etc. - nothing was found. The probelm resolved itself until the various times in my life I mentioned before. Wow. Now at 51 - 35 years later - I am purdy daggone sure that I have found the answer to my elusive malady! It's at once both disheartening and awesome...to have had this soooo long without knowing is dusturbing but, to finally know that I have had something that actually caused my symptoms all these years is a relief!

Yesterday was a little rough with my head-buzzing and the like where today I feel very well. I got good sleep last night and began taking a mega vitamin B-12 yesterday - coincidence? verdict is still out. I also looked at Buhner's protocol today and decided to try Japanese Knotweed and Eleuthro. The former seems "right" to me. I have always been drawn to grapes and grape products - including RED wine. the resveratrol maybe why, albeit, for knotweed, it's different. Dunno - some trial-and-error. I am a pretty in-tune guy with the whole universal energy and have begun pretty good at listening to my body...we'll know if I heard right or not soon!

Plus, I have compiled a list of questions for my LLMD visit next week. Being a NASA guy and heavy science/engineering influenced, she may be sorry she accepted me as a patient! My wife thinks it's funny as heck! LOL.

Okay, enough for now...have a great weekend to you and yours!
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