Salt / Vitamin C Protocol ???

Well, I'm pretty opinionated on the Salt/C thing- I've looked into it quite deeply- I mean a treatment that's inexpensive and easy to do at home??? Who wouldn't want to do that! BUT - after looking into it, I don't like it or the potential that it has to really harm people. Think about how much salt you will be asked to ingest daily, then check out what too much salt can do to an already ill body. I say stay far away from the "cures" that regular people make up!!

The Salt/C thing was created by Lyme patients and their thinking - from what I've read - was because salt kills slugs, it will kill the parasites and bacteria. Their thoughts on using high doses of vitamin C aren't bad, but the salt thing ruins it all.

Samento/Banderol has been proven effective against these infections though. Big difference. Practitioners are recommending these two things to treat these infections with, not just patients.

I would also like to ask if you and your son are detoxing regularly? The dry skin brushing, detox baths, drinking plenty of water and eating very healthy will go a long way towards easing those symptoms. Otherwise it just takes time spent in treatment, as the pathogen loads must come down.

You could also try some other detoxing ideas like activated charcoal - but be sure if you take any kind of binders like this that you take them 2 hours after any food or meds/supplements and 2 hours before your next meal or meds/supplements - otherwise the activated charcoal and other binders will absorb those too!

Dr. David Jerigan (the owner of Hnasa Center) sells detoxing tinctures if you are interested. We've had several members here that have used them and said they work well.

Just my 2¢ on the whole thing!

Honestly, I have to admit that I don't know as much as I really should about the abx and their different applications in treating these infections - but I do know someone that does!!! That's almost as good, right? LOL!

May I ask what infection is the doc wanting to use the Rocephin against? I may know of an effective herbal route if you are interested.

I've asked Summer3 to answer your question about the abx. - I hope you don't mind.

There are other binders that can be used, but I'm only familiar with the Activated Charcoal. As I said you could also use the Anti-tox formulas from Dr. David Jernigan if you are interested. Deejavu -among others - has had wonderful results from using his products.

I think that spacy, hard to focus thing is hard to deal with - I've got that going on off and on right now! I've been much, much worse, but now having to deal with that off and on can be such a challenge as I feel like I should be able to think clear enough, and yet, I find that I'm not!

I was at the Vet's office today. One of our dogs has developed an allergy to flea bites - ugh! So I took her in and felt like I understood what was being said to me, but when I tried to talk to them about it, I proved that I couldn't keep things straight! Frustrating and a bit embarrassing. LOL! I just told the vet that I had Lyme and had brain issues still and if she didn't know what that entailed she should look it up! It's important!!

Hi Summer3,

My son has been tested for co-infections. The test have come back negative. A woman at SE PA Lyme Assoc. felt strongly that his symptoms of spaciness, lack of focus, and feeeling like the padding on his feet were missing  were all signs of Bartenella.  ???  

 His original western blot showed 4 out of 5 bands tested positive for lyme and he had or previously had epstein barr. The doc that wants to put him on rocephrin, re-ran the western blot 2 weeks ago and it showed significant improvements. We insisted that he add the zinthromax at our last visit, hoping this would address the co-infection.  I have been told that this dr. pushes IV's. He has his own treatment facility and says you must come there daily. My son runs the risk of losing his job. It would require three hours of commuting time daily.  I'm concerned that if the IV only addresses lyme that doing the IV  is an uneeded added risk? What do you think? We have a folow-up visit on Friday the 26th.

Just throwing this out there.......how about food grade diatemaceous earth? We use that for the animals with worms?  Ever hear of anyone using it?

Thank you again for you help!! 

Thank you for your help!!!!!  Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!!!!!!

Hi Summer3

My biggest problem is finding a doctor that is willing to do the IV and allow my son to stay home. We do not understand this!  I either get the doctor who feels 30 days on an antibiotic is all you need, or the doctor who won't do anything and insist my son needs an MRI of the brain, or the one who will only do this in his office.

If you know of a doctor that could help us in that area it would be wonderful!!!!

Thank you Summer3 !!

I would like to post all of our resources for finding a LLMD for you - if you have used these all before, please forgive me. I'd just rather be safe than sorry!!

For information on finding a Lyme Literate Medical Doctor(LLMD) in your area, you can start a new thread titled something like:"Looking for LLMD in the _______ area."

You can also email our long time member, Dan's Mother at:[email protected]

You can also email Stephanie at: [email protected] You can also go to: www.turnthecorner.org/ if you want to learn a little bit more about Lyme Disease.

You can also go to The Lyme Disease Association and search for LLMD's 3 times in a month. You have to register first. Here is the link:www.lymediseaseassociation.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=277&Itemid=74

You will want to find an ILADS (International Lyme And Associated Diseases Society) doctor. The ILADS site is another great place to read to get you started on your Lyme journey. www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/treatment_guidelines_clearing_ilads.html

Oh my, I am so incredibly thankful for finding the salt c protocol. I started with 9 months of the fermented cabbage and Himalayan Salt, which cured the candida. I've been on the Salt C since and boy o boy what a difference. I think I must of had Lyme since I was a child because the longer I am on it the deeper it goes and uncovers pain. I am going on my 13 month on this and I take as much as 2 tbsp. per day with lots of water and vitamin c. It is more than I probably should take for my weight, but it is pushing the crud out. My breakouts have almost stopped. The pain in my left hand stopped last winter and you could feel the warmth back in the hand, this year it is my right hand and the pain was intense, but I can feel circulation back in my hands and feet. I feel like it is leaving my back. My back used to go out a lot, the bacteria really wreaks havoc with people. Causes all kinds of issues, but I believe I am almost cured. I plan on staying on this until I test negative with biofeedback. I highly recommend this protocol to anyone because it works and it is cheap. I've added oregano oil at mega doses to help, colloidal silver and Lysine which helps with the EBV. I hope this helps. I learned my lesson paying $$ to a ND who claimed he is curing people and yet several weeks to month after they come home the pain is back. Don't waste your money on ND's unless you know 100% people are being cured. Otherwise, it is too good to be true, they just want your money. I know...Sadly I wasted my hard earned money.

The fear of salt may not be rational. Raising salt intake increases blood pressure, for people with high insulin and typically about 5 points. So maybe raised blood pressure from salt should be an indication of high insulin and risk of Diabetes 2?
On lower carb intakes with more fat in the food, more salt is required to keep systems going well. Too little salt and the heart is often racing in all ages. I had a serious kidney problem from prostate problems with sky-high Creatinine, Urea and very low HB. The hospital recovered my kidneys with about 4x 1 litre IV bags per day for 5 days. After I guessed how much salt they gave me. The IV is "isotonic" with the blood, meaning 0.9% salt so each liter holds 9 g. My daily blood tests showed Sodium always below max during this time, in spite of my "renal failure) GFR was 16.
that is 36 gram per day salt, plus some other trace minerals to re-balance me. In 5 days creatinine dropped from 900 to 260, by this "flushing" of the kidneys I was told by the ICU staff. Hence no problem for healthy kidneys to get rid of excess salt in water. Before fridges nearly "everything" had to be salted to be preserved. We have returned to sauerkraut and Kimchi at home,mainly for the probiotic effects, and were like many here a little worried about the extra salt used. But learnt also now that the immune system is using salt to kill off bacteria and viruses, according to a recent German study. Probably the key to why salt can compete and beat antibiotics for Lyme. A long shot is that we are more vulnerable to infections including Lyme today than before the fridge due to overall lower salt intakes.

Please tell us how much (sea) salt made your stomach cramp. Also with how much water. And how much Vitamin C in the mix?
Many Thanks.

The recommendation for salt/C is to start with just one gram salt and one gram Vitamin C in 250 ml water. Next day you can double all, also the water. Keep adding 1g of each and 250 ml water. On the 4th day one takes 4 g of each in 1 liter of water, to clarify further. Sip during the whole day, and so on up to 10 g of each and 2.5 l water per day. The salt in our body is 9 g/liter, all of us are the same here! And that is over twice the concentration we drink. I am up to that now with no effect on stomach. Yet the cure is strong so with a lot of bad bacteria down there it may take days between increases!
Best of Luck. Sten.