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Posted 6/4/2013 4:52 PM (GMT 0)
Hi guys,

I have a couple questions for you...

1) What percentage of the "symptoms" people deal with are the result of die off? In other words, when someone hasn't been treating there lyme and they feel crappy is it caused by natural die off or is it caused by the live bacteria messing with there systems, or is it both?

2) Why is it that I read that every few weeks people tend to feel worse for a few days? Is that because the majority of the bacteria is naturally reaching the end of its life cycle and there by creating a lot of die off?

Thanks for your time,
Kinerson
Posted 6/4/2013 8:45 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Kinerson,
You've actually kind of answered your own questions! Herxing is caused by the die off of bacteria - it doesn't matter if it's caused by taking some kind of an antibacterial agent or not.

Also every few days/weeks depending on which bacteria is being spoken about, the bacteria re-enter the blood stream and reproduce, causing an increase in symptoms. There are other times that an increase in symptoms will occur as well, like closing in on or during a full moon, times of high stress, & during the menstrual cycle for women.
Posted 6/5/2013 12:20 AM (GMT 0)
Hi,

Thanks for your response. So you say herxing is caused by the die off. But my question was how much of the symptoms that people deal with are a result of the die off? Is it all of it?

I am referring to the bacteria that causes Lymr disease. I believe its borreliosis. But I am such a newbie here that I may be wrong.
Posted 6/5/2013 2:47 AM (GMT 0)
I think a lot of it is caused by natural die-off. If you take an herb to strengthen the immune system, but not nessessarily antibiotic in nature (ie astragalus or cat's claw) without taking some kind of anti-inflammatory/cytokine inhibitor (ie japanese knotweed) symptoms (especially fatigue and body pain) can ramp up pretty quickly - first hand experience here.

I don't think die-off is responsible for all of it though.  I think spirochetes need to be physically chewing through cartilage to produce deterioration.  Bartonella needs to have infected bone marrow to produce bone pain.  The bacteria need to be present for the body to respond with cyclic fever responses.

Post Edited (rowingmom) : 6/4/2013 8:52:19 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/5/2013 2:18 PM (GMT 0)
That is pretty much exactly what I have been doing the past few years. I have been trying to build up my immune system but I haven't been taking any sort of anti inflammatory or cytokine inhibitor. You see i just learned that I have Lyme about 2 weeks ago. Prior to that I was told it was chronic fatigue syndrome. I have been avoiding inflammatory foods but I haven't been taking anything specifically for "die off" since there was no reason (or so we thought). Funny you mentioned fatigue as that is my #1 complaint. Its intense at times and always present. Wow this may be a small break through here. What's the deal with Japaneese knotweed? I just googled it but only saw info on the plant.
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