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Posted 9/16/2013 11:14 PM (GMT 0)
I should start by saying that when I started taking active folate and b-12 to address MTHFR/methalation, it caused me a lot of trouble with sulfur/ammonia that I'm still working through.

But recently I've had a UTI (bladder infection) and took several rounds of ABX and herbs over about 2 months. None worked, so I finally got a good culture that showed sensitive ABX. However, by the time I got the right ABX, when I took it I had terrible head pressure and just didn't feel right, so I stopped it. The same thing happened when I took nystation, Elavil and an OTC UTI pill. Basically, it's happening to anything I take.

So then I tried Collidial silver and got the same reaction. Same with grapefruit seed extract and oregano. Granted, I was taking the oregano, nystation, elavil and other ABX just 3 wks ago with no problems (and have NEVER had problems before).

When I stop the meds/herbs for a day or so, the symptoms finally subside. Is this a sign of leaky gut or a breakdown in the detox pathway?

My dr. is going to do some further methalation cycle testing, but in the meantime, I've got a UTI and can't take anything. I'm really scared b/c nothing like this has happened before. Any insight is appreciated.

Posted 9/17/2013 12:15 AM (GMT 0)
Hi twinkl1999,

So sorry you are going through this.   Sounds to me in my non-medical opinion that you are allergic to everything you are taking.  Have you considered just using alternative medicine?  I suggest buying Buhner's book "Healing Lyme" and Dr. Jernigan's book "Beating Lyme".  Both books have fantastic information!

Did you know that Dr. J's Borrelogen research shows that this botanical kills more lyme bacteria compared to any antibiotic?   Igenex did this LUAT test.   Plus you don't get the side effects.

The best product that I know of to bind up that ammonia is Dr. J's Neuro-Antitox Formulas.  There are 3 of them, I used the CNS/PNS formula.  That is what worked for me.

Are you detoxing at all?  I mean dry skin brushing, detox baths, detox foot baths, etc.  Also, how is your diet?

Wish I could be of more help,

Denise

Posted 9/17/2013 1:29 AM (GMT 0)
Hi twinkl!

I second what Denise has said. For me, the Asyra and bioenergetic testing has worked really well. It tests for organs, functioning, bacteria, viruses and then matches your body to things that will heal/correct it. And it is supposed to bypass allergies and all that jazz.

Sometimes your body needs a break from everything too. I had a moment a few weeks ago where I just went off of EVERYTHING - all vitamins, abx, supplements, etc. I called my ND who does the bioenergetic testing, she overnighted me two supplements. I was having extreme insomnia and for whatever reason just thought going off everything was a good idea. And it was. Three weeks later I'm off all abx, herbs and just doing a few homeopathy things.

I will add some herbs and such back in but sometimes our bodies do need a little rest. Maybe after a break you can try something different for a UTI - there was a tea...I think it is uvi ursi or marshmallow root that is supposed to calm urinary tract.
Posted 9/17/2013 4:08 AM (GMT 0)
It's the methylation stuff that is causing your problem. You probably have CBS and/or SUOX mutations that need to be supported FIRST before you can take the stuff for MTHFR.

Dr. Yasko recommends the following for CBS variants:
Low sulfur diet (esp. avoid meats, shellfish, & eggs).
Low protein diet (vegetarian/vegan is best for this).
Molybdenum supplements - at least 100mcg/day (may need more).
Zinc - at least 25mg/day (more if you can tolerate it; don't take more than 100mg/day from all sources).
Magnesium - at least 500mg/day in divided doses.
Yucca Root powder, sprinkled on protein foods (to absorb/eliminate excess ammonia).
Charcoal/Magnesium flushes, periodically, to help eliminate excess ammonia (I find this is not necessary if eating vegetarian diet - i.e., no animal flesh or eggs of any kind).

For the urinary issue:
Organic cranberry juice, diluted 50/50 with water, drink 8oz. daily (minimum). The cranberry has a substance in it that prevents bacteria from sticking to the lining of the urinary tract and causing infection; also helps treat active infection.

Berberine may also be helpful. This is a highly antibacterial/antiviral substance derived from herbs such as goldenseal. Start with very small amounts (open the capsule and only take a tiny fraction of the contents) and slowly increase as tolerated.
Posted 9/18/2013 6:33 PM (GMT 0)
Razzle - I was following the low sulfur protocol for a few months, and my symptoms subsided. Then when I took several rounds of ABX and herbs for a UTI, they exploded again and are much worse than before.

Have you found that people with CBS and SUOX (which I have both) must stay on the low sulfur diet long-term? Or just until they can clear the sulfur/ammonia.

This is so unbelievably frustrating to me b/c prior to ever taking active supplements, I had no trouble with sulfur foods; in fact, they were my primary diet. Nor did I have issues with any meds/herbs.

I'm hoping to clear these toxins and go back to my pre-methyl vitamin self. I will never touch methalyated supps. again either :)  I've been a mess ever since. Clearly, I wasn't ready for them yet; and a dr. who didn't know any better told me to take them. To others, be cautious with these supplements. I read on one practicioner's site that it can take 2-3 years to get methalation working right.

I don't have the time to invest b/c this has already taken me away from my lyme/babesia healing it's got me so off-track :(

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