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Posted 10/30/2013 5:13 AM (GMT 0)
Sooo I havn't been diognosed with Lyme disease, but have MANY symptoms and according to doctor, my results I just recently got were "negative".
I'm getting a copy of that tomorrow though!

Anyway, i started using cats claw this morning and have experienced sudden urges to "pee" and am having all over itchy skin, and red (not as itchy) chest that's warm (ish) to the touch, which happens a lot, only It's usually while after been in the sun for a bit.

Should I be concerned? Anyone experience this when first taking it?

Post Edited (blueheartowl) : 10/30/2013 12:21:26 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/30/2013 5:35 AM (GMT 0)
Btw I am not very educated with this diseaseand don't know a lot
about it...just that I'm at the end of my rope and it can't just be fibromyalgia!

And yes, I've been bit by a tick, but years ago and didn't have bullseye rash but did get the sickest I've ever been several weeks after finding the tick.

Over the last year I've become dramatically worse and feel like I'm going crazy and even think I'm becoming dyslexic even when I TALK!

AND i have checked out tge new to lymes start here thread (:

Post Edited (blueheartowl) : 10/29/2013 11:53:52 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/30/2013 1:47 PM (GMT 0)
Sounds like a herx or die-off reaction from Bartonella as that tends to affect the skin and urinary tract. Bart is a Lyme co-infection in case you didn't know. Herxes are a necessary part of healing though not everyone gets them.
Posted 10/30/2013 2:54 PM (GMT 0)
Oh, I'll have to look that up! So since bartonella is a co infection, does that mean bartonella is NOT lymes? Or is...? I'll just look that upp.

Thank you for your answer!
Posted 10/30/2013 3:22 PM (GMT 0)
WOAH!!!! Until I heard of Lyme disease, I always thought when I was sick several weeks after camping, that I was sick AFTER being scratchedby a cat. My dad had even been singing Ted N. song "cat scratch fever" which I didn't mind because we did think that had something to do with being sick, but definitely no SUPER high temperature.

Wow. What's the chances of getting bartonella that way and same time frame as finding a tick on me??? This is giving me whip lash. Agh!
Posted 10/30/2013 3:43 PM (GMT 0)
Hi blueheartowl,

By the way I really like your name - it is lovely! I know you are overwhelmed right now....so take a deep breath. I agree w/Todd - most likely what you are experiencing is a herx reaction. Bartonella is strongly associated with lyme, more people probably have bartonella then lyme as it is carried by fleas and other pests as well.

Have you checked out www.buhnerhealinglyme.com ? Its a great site for those choosing to do herbals. It is widely used and the herbs are very well studied and safe for most individuals. There are some folks on here trying a members protocol that he terms the synergistic protocol. My main issue with it is I don't have an hour and 15 mins in the morning to time/take medicine but it is worth a lookover. Many of the herbs are used in both protocols.

Herbalist are in general, very affordable so it would be a good idea to find a good one in your area too. Make sure you are drinking lots of water to help flush toxins out. Lots of parsley and cilantro are good for detoxing as well.
Posted 10/30/2013 5:25 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks guys! And the name came from my daughter's water container haha. It is blue with hearts and owls, so I'm like...hmmm...this works

Hot feeling went away, still mildly itchy, frequent urges to pre, mild headache, kinda nausea, leg has had a mild spasm twice, always fatigued but SUPER tired!!

I havn't taken any cats claw yet today though...just yesterday. I'm waiting about another hour and quart of water before taking one today, then going to pay better attention!
Posted 10/30/2013 9:33 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Blueheartowl!
Welcome to the forum!! I'm so glad that you have already read through the 'New to Lyme?' thread! You've gotten some really good advice already, so my post will be short (this time -LOL!).

Are you detoxing? That can make a big difference for a lot of people with these diseases.

Like Opugirl said - take a deep breath, there is a lot of info that you will need to learn, but we are here to help. We can answer a whole lot of questions about what's going on and tips on what we have done that have helped us get through different things.

Everyone is different, and we respond to things differently, so although you may not be able to use (for example) what I've used, you may be able to use what Opugirl used, or do something that WWJD used to help with something.

The biggest news is that you are not alone! This is more of a community usually because we care about the others here, and want everyone to help each other out. Sometimes we just need to know that someone else is going through something and that someone actually cares how we are doing!
Posted 10/31/2013 2:38 AM (GMT 0)
Took cats claw again earlier as same symptoms but not as severe. I did a bath detox about 2 hours ago with a whole bottle of peroxide and about 3 cups Epsom salt with warm, not hot water. I have done this before and was just a ot mmore tired with a bit more pain...but I don't know if its because of as Lao taking cats claw but I think I'm experieing a herx.

I'm in noticlvy a lot more pain that ii have tears coming down my face and I'm super nauseated...probably because of the pain.


My neck is stiff, my right knee cap is shooting pain like right beneath the bone, my shins are burning, feet and hips are achy, and my left arm bone is bone likefull lenghth of it ON the bone throbs. All over in between I'm sore, have a headache and feel like I have a link in my chest I want to die
Posted 10/31/2013 2:41 AM (GMT 0)
Not link. I think I meant to say knot. No lump describes it best duh ugh my brain!!!!
Posted 10/31/2013 3:10 AM (GMT 0)
Now my left knee is feeling the same same and I'm noticing that I keep having like shoots of pain in random places...and my collar bones that always hurt the worst (i don't care that doc says its not common for collar bones to hurt. Mine do. It's not in my head. Nobody can tell me otherwise) are throbbing and burning BAD. THe entire back of my neck up through back of left side of head burns. I can literally go on on and on and I used to have such a high pain tolerance ):
Posted 10/31/2013 3:28 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you! I will check that out! Is it possible to feel so crummy after cats claw and detox bath and NOT have lymes disease or a co disease? Or should I take this crummy feeling as a PROOF to myself that I do...?
Posted 10/31/2013 4:12 PM (GMT 0)
A person that doesn't have Lyme disease wouldn't have those symptoms from taking cat's claw. Welcome to the club!
Posted 10/31/2013 4:21 PM (GMT 0)
That is definitely a herx. How long did you stay in the water? It may have been too much for you. When I started detoxing, I always herxed from it! I had to learn how to regulate it all. Go slow - be very careful about adding more of anything to your routines at this point, as it can make you herx even more.
Posted 10/31/2013 10:13 PM (GMT 0)
I had my hubby time me half an hour...but started time before I hopped in while I "scrubbed my skin" which to my surprise.....FELT AMAAAAAAZING lol. Feeling extra crummy today and am grimacing at the clock as It's halloween and I've got two kiddos to take out.
Posted 10/31/2013 11:46 PM (GMT 0)
Many need to only stay in the water for 10 minutes to start, so your time in the water may have been too long for you. This is about finding what you can tolerate, not about how much you can take. Next time try only 10 minutes and see how you do. If you tolerate that well, then up it to 15 minutes, and so on.

I was so overloaded with toxins that I couldn't tolerate a detox bath until I was about 10 months into treatment for Lyme & Bart - and even then I could only tolerate 7 minutes or I would have a horrible herx! I used mainly foot baths, several times a day.

Plan on resting tomorrow if you can!! Or at least see if you can sneak in a nap! Being overly tired works against us too!

I hope that you all have a great time though!! :-)
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