CANNOT fall asleep, until 4:00 or 5:00 a.m., no matter what!! Sorry about multiple posts.

Awe so sorry to hear this! R u having trouble sleeping bc of pain or bc ur eyes r wide open? So to speak

Margaret, I'm taking L-theanine with GABA and 5-HTP from prohealth (sold on amazon). It definitely helps me relax and put me to sleep. Just looked up the supplement you bought, wow it's expensive!

To be honest, you've taken a lot of stuff and nothing is helping so I'm wondering what the underlying cause is. Not sure if another supplement will work. But sleep is important. Have you tried the melatonin tablets that you put under your tongue? These bypass the digestive tract and go right into your system which puts you to sleep fast!

Oh and here's the description of the supplement I am taking from amazon:
about this item
Japanese Green Tea is a powerful antioxidant that is also used to reduce general stress and promote tranquility. One of the main components of green tea is the amino acid L-Theanine. Research has shown that L-Theanine can increase levels of GABA, a brain chemical known for its calming effects, and dopamine, which can promote mood enhancement. L-Theanine is non-drowsy, and may even increase mental focus and concentration as it promotes a stress-free state of mind. The L-Theanine Relaxation Effect L-theanine readily crosses the blood-brain barrier of humans and exerts subtle changes in biochemistry. An increase in alpha waves has been documented (see above), and the effect has been compared to getting a massage or taking a hot bath. L-theanine is different from kava-kava in that it doesn't cause drowsiness. Research with human volunteers has demonstrated that L-theanine creates its relaxing effect in approximately 30 to 40 minutes after ingestion. The mechanism behind this effect is two-fold: 1) L-theanine directly stimulates production of alpha brain waves, which creates a deep state of relaxation while maintaining mental alertness. 2) L-theanine appears to play a role in the formation of gamma-aminobutyric acid, better known as GABA. GABA acts as a powerful manager of neurotransmitters and helps maintain relaxed levels of neuron activity. L-Theanine Relaxation Research Alpha wave generation in the brain is considered to be an index of relaxation. In one study, 50 females between 18 and 22 years old were divided into high and low general anxiety groups. Each group was given water, 50 mg L-theanine solution, or 200 mg L-theanine solution once a week for two months. Brain waves were measured for 60 minutes after each administration. Within 40 minutes, a significantly greater amount of alpha waves were generated on the brain surface of the L-theanine groups, signifying relaxation without causing drowsiness.* *Source: Ito K, et al.

I was also thinking adrenal dysfunction! I've been going to sleep late recently, just feel totally awake 11-1am. I recently started taking an adrenal support and I have been getting tired earlier. You're dealing with a lot, and your adrenals might be getting worn out. I can't imagine staying up as late as you though and then being woken up by the dog... I'm exhausted just reading about it!

My daughter had the same problem until this year. It has been nice to see her throughout the day. I'm not sure what changed, but the only new thing we did was the erchonian cold laser treatments from a chiro.
She is strongly influence by light too and will wake up earlier if it's sunny, so if I could get her to try my light box, that may help too.

I do better with an adrenal supplement also. I've had a few night where I couldn't get to sleep until early morning. I'd get up and take my adrenal pill and then relax more. I took L-Tryptophan sometimes too and it would help part of the time.

PS, Are Rhodiola and Phosphatidyl Serine for adrenals?

And yes, that CALM PRT is expensive as "crap!"

If it is the adrenals, her doctor could test them and it could be treated. IMO, it's more than likely something the physicians won't find or fix. This is my opinion so take it as that.

Your sleep problems are possibly due to an over activation of your NMDA receptors. This is due to a cascade of immune events that originates with a decrease of spermidine uptake and ends with an increase of Nitric oxide. All I have found to help is altering your dietary intake.

If I knew how to fix it, I wouldn't be studying medical literature every night at 3am. You likely have a protozoal infection also.

Healing98-keep on posting it! The shifts in cortisol definitely affect me.
Margaret- When I absolutely can't sleep, and sometimes I don't sleep for three days, I eat sugar. And wham, finally asleep. It's probably a terrible thing for me to do considering it causes all sorts of other issues for me, but hey it works every time. To me, that gives merit to healing98's adrenal function theory.
I have tried almost every herb and pharmaceutical recommend for sleep or anxiety. It's not the best solution, but Xanax is the only drug that puts me to sleep-and in very low doses. Even ambien and serious sedatives make me foggy but I still can't sleep. It feels like those drugs don't let me shut my brain off. Or maybe I don't let me:).

A good resource is the book "From Fatigue to Fantastic" by Jacob Tetelbaum, MD. He covers everything from getting good sleep to hormonal support (including Adrenal stuff) and fighting infections. Throughout the book he includes case studies and explanations on how the various systems in your body work, and the ways they can malfunction. At the end of the book he includes a list of supplements and prescription medications, along with a questionnaire to help you figure out what to try.

Hi all,

I will be seeing my Fibro. doctor soon, and I know that at some point she gave me cortisone. But was it the right kind or the wrong kind? I don't know. I'm sure she could test me.

Deeja, that formula looks good; good ingredients, etc. I don't see how it could hurt.

I might still have that Teitelbaum book. Otherwise, I'll order it.

Healing, I lower the thermostat to 65. Sixty four is about as low as I can stand. Maybe I could get more blankets, but my face gets cold!

Georgia, are you taking about ammonia? And how do you treat protozoa, or a protozoal infection?

Deeja, I'm not putting that many cups of Epsom salts in the bath, because I'm afraid it will make me herx, ie the kind of herx you get from a detox, not a regular herx herx.

Thanks!!!

Margaret

Hi again Margaret,

As far as Epsom Salts in the baths, I learned from other members it's not the amount of Salts in the baths that can make a person feel worse, it's the temperature of the bath water.  People have told me they feel worse if they make the water too hot.   I love a hot bath, not a warm one (which is recommended when taking detox baths).  Just a thought to why you may feel worse after a bath... 

And yes, Pure Formula's does make good supplements, darn, I paid this M.D./Holistic Doctor tons of money to help me when I was going through pre-menopause!  She told me that she believe this was the best product for my adrenals and I took it for months and it really helped me.  I didn't feel any difference (which she warned me) until a month after taking the Adrenotone.

Georgia Hunter,

From what I learned as far as Ammonia, it is a toxin from lyme bacteria die-offs.  There is a scientific explanation:   When lyme bacteria die off, they release ammonia which is converted to glutamine by way of the glutamine synthetase pathways, leading to localized swelling of astrocytes (brain cells).  This ammonia-induced glutamine accumulation may cause dysfunction of astrocytes, which leads to impairment of vascular reactivity (other than through a decrease in arginine availability for nitrous oxide) and increased production of nitric oxide.  It has been reported that many neurological problems are caused by either congenital or acquired hyper-ammonemia.

This is from an article Dr. Jernigan wrote:

http://www.academia.edu/260797/Lyme_Toxins_The_Primary_Cause_of_Your_Symptoms

What helped me bind up the ammonia and purge it out of my body and brain was Dr. J's Neuro-Antitox CNS/PNS Formula.

Denise

Unfortunately it's your autonomic nervous system being on the fritz due to infection.

You could explore neurotransmitter testing and supplementation while you heal. After damage to the ANS it takes a long time to heal and sometimes needs some help.

Deejavu, thanks for the link. IMO, it's the destruction of polyamines during the immune response that causes the ammonia build up. All that Nitrogen has to be eliminated somehow. Borrelia's main toxin is quinolinic acid.