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Posted 7/11/2014 7:05 AM (GMT 0)
Hi everyone, my 11.5 year old son suddenly started having pain in his lower left ribs last night and again this morning so I am pretty sure it is his spleen. We had to go off antibiotics a month ago due to drug-induced hepatitis and he then had a urinary tract infection.

I've searched the archives so I feel better that this isn't an emergency, but does anyone know what I can give him for pain? I suppose I am being a mom, but I also worry about it bursting. Does anyone know anything about that--would it need to be constant pain for it to be that bad? This pain currently comes and goes.

Any ideas for anything to help it diet-wise? I know he should not do anything that might get that area hit like playing with others. Other than that I don't seem to find too much.

Thanks in advance!
Posted 7/11/2014 12:43 PM (GMT 0)
I had spleen pain that eventually went away after I went off antibiotics and started colonics and silver. I did not take anything for pain. Hope this helps!
Posted 7/11/2014 2:06 PM (GMT 0)
Lymebabe, thanks for letting me know!
Posted 7/11/2014 3:26 PM (GMT 0)
Are you sure it's spleen pain? An enlarged spleen can be dangerous and can be caused by EBV, which many doctors don't pay enough attention to. Is it possible it could be his kidney or liver since he's had hepatitis?

I like using this to help me figure out which organ may be causing discomfort:
www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/female-abdomen

I would encourage you to call his doctor and follow up on this.
Posted 7/11/2014 4:42 PM (GMT 0)
Traveler, I have emailed his doctor who has asked what all he's taking. Waiting to hear back now.

Now that you questioned if its the spleen, I looked at that site and see that the liver goes over further than I thought to the left. Maybe it is the liver. A friend who's a doctor questioned it too today.

At least the pain is not acute like it was before. Thanks for the info Trav and the website--very cool!
Posted 7/11/2014 5:19 PM (GMT 0)
I hope that you and the docs can get this figured out soon and can relive his pain/discomfort. It's bad enough to be sick, but when pain is added in, it can be miserable!

If it's his liver, you might want to check into milk thistle to help protect it. It's helped a lot of members on this forum! The only caution I have ever seen for milk thistle is if the person is allergic to ragweed, they may not tolerate the milk thistle well. I know that I have a ragweed allergy and can't tolerate milk thistle at all -so be cautious if you choose to try it.

I love that site!! Kind of like a new toy sometimes! smilewinkgrin I had doctors telling me that there were organs in my abdomen ('Doh!) and wouldn't answer other questions, so I found that site to help even my poor infected brain to figure out what was hurting!!
Posted 7/13/2014 2:06 PM (GMT 0)
Ksgirl, have you heard back from your doctor yet?
Posted 7/13/2014 8:31 PM (GMT 0)
Trav, so nice of you to ask! Yes, he said that if it hurts more, we might need to have an ultrasound done. However we've been lucky and it stopped hurting as quickly as it started. I'm pretending it won't crop up again...
Posted 7/13/2014 8:50 PM (GMT 0)
Do you know if it's his spleen or his liver yet?

If it's his liver, do you know about milk thistle? It's quite hepa-protective. Many here use it, although if he has a rag weed allergy he may not be able to use it. Even my Vet told me to give it to my dog when her liver seemed in distress!
Posted 7/14/2014 4:04 PM (GMT 0)
Since the pain has stopped we're leaving it at that for now.

He's been on milk thistle now for over 2 months plus another liver detox pill. However I just read this about milk thistle (from the treatlyme.net website)
" Glutathione is the master detoxification agent. The liver is the organ that removes fat-based toxins, and it contains the greatest concentration of glutathione found throughout the body. There are two general steps it uses to remove toxins. These are called Phase I and Phase II detox. Glutathione is used in both of these steps. Through liver detoxification fat-based toxins are transformed in to water-based toxins. These are then moved through the gall bladder and bile system in to the intestines where they are then pooped out.
When liver detoxification is impaired, the problem is usually more of a Phase II detox issue than a Phase I. This is a problem because Phase I changes toxins into even greater toxic substances before they are made into water-based toxins in Phase II. Many mistakenly use the herb milk thistle to protect the liver and to support detox. The problem with this is milk thistle mainly supports Phase I detox. If Phase II detox is blocked then milk thistle leads to even greater toxin production. So this is where glutathione comes in. It supports both Phase I and Phase II detox. It can be used by itself to improve liver detox. Or it can be combined with milk thistle and other herbs. "
Up to now everything I've read says that glutathione is really only useful in IV form, but this is "mixed with fats called phospholipids.This increases the abosorption of glutathione. Without these fats, the glutathione is mostly destroyed in the gut. " Its called Tri-Fortify Orange (by Researched Nutritionals) and you take 1 teaspoon 1 time a day.

Does anyone know if this info about phase I, II, and milk thistle being for phase I is correct?
Does anyone know anything about this glutathione product?
Posted 7/14/2014 6:56 PM (GMT 0)
That's really quite interesting information, Ksgirl!! I would suggest that you start a new thread with your questions about Glutathione, milk thistle and the different detox phases. I bet you would get more views and more responses that way.

I too had heard that only IV glutathione was effective - and actually don't have the time to do the research necessary to say anything different. The forum has been quite busy and I've also been getting quite a few emails lately. The beauty of a community like this though is that all of us can share the solid information that we have so that no one person, or small group, is being relied on for information!!! :-)
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