Klinghardt protocols or Buhner protocols safe for a toddler?

Wow. That is young. If you are considering Buhner's protocols, I would recommend contacting his associate Julie McIntyre to ask her the question. She may have consulted with other toddler parents.

http://www.gaianstudies.org/herbal_consult.html

Hi coralmoral,

How do you know your daughter has lyme? Does she have symptoms? It is so hard to tell at this age. Does she have a + test? If so, her pediatrician should be giving her some abx--he won't give her enough, but it would buy you some time.

I give my son (age: 10; got the rash; treated with 1 mo of abx; symptoms returned much worse after a year and got severe neuro symptoms as well) and daughter (age: 5: got bit last year, developed symptoms this year but pediatrician refused to treat her because her test is negative) propolis with raw organic honey and I take it myself (had 3+ tests for lyme, and 2 negative). It helps with the symptoms. It is a natural antibiotic and anti-inflammatory. It helps us a lot until we can get to a LLMD. My kids and myself are doing very well on it.

THis is the one I got:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00028NCTG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Since my son has neuro symptoms, I will take him to a LLMD who can properly diagnose him for co-infections. Then I will do herbals based on conditions.

For myself, I will only do herbals if I decide I need to add something to the propolis. I did abx for a year through a LLMD and symptoms returned 4+ years after I finished treatment.

I hope this helps, my kids are running around, I hope you can make sense of what I wrote. Btw my daughter is 35 lb and we each take half a teaspoon.

I believe my son's lyme is congenital. He has Autism. And according to klinghardt 90% of asd children have been infected with lyme. He also has low tone which is a cardinal sign of congenital lyme. Will have igenex back in about two weeks. So byron white is safe for children huh? How to find a byron white practitioner?

Post Edited (coralmoral) : 2/7/2015 12:53:43 PM (GMT-7)

Thank you very much this is extremely helpful! Hugs!

Also do you recommend Buhner over byron white?

Also was Julie your llmd? Can you send a link to her site?

Post Edited (coralmoral) : 2/7/2015 1:19:02 PM (GMT-7)

I posted Julie's link in one of my previous responses:

http://www.gaianstudies.org/herbal_consult.html

Julie is not an LLMD (Lyme Literate Medical Doctor), but is an herbalist who uses Buhner's herbal protocols, and other herbs as well, to help people recover from lyme and the coinfections.

On his facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/stephen.buhner

Buhner also recommends these other herbalists who are trained in his protocols if Julie is not available - she is getting busier all the time:

"I no longer see clients for herbal consultations. I recommend the following people:

Julie McIntyre in Silver City, New Mexico ([email protected]);

2) Tommy Priester in Lincoln, MA ([email protected]);

Gordon Medical Associates in Santa Rosa, CA ((707) 575-5180);

and Tim Scott in Brattleboro, VT (Toll free: 877.591.1874 In VT: 802.246.1090)


2) In the EU/UK try: Peter Conway
The WellSpring Clinic
1 Clanricarde Gardens
Tunbridge Wells
Kent TN1 1PE

3) I do not sell herbs or protocols. I recommend woodlandessence.com; sagewomanherbs.com; elkmountainherbs.com; 1stchineseherbs.com; greendragonbotanicals.com, and MontanaFarmacy.com."

We are Canadian (Niagara region of Ontario) and saw a pediatric LLMD in Buffalo who also treats adults. She was very good with her clinical diagnoses and antibiotic prescriptions, but didn't use much in the way of herbs other than BW and the basic Cowden samento/banderol.

We did try weaning to samento/banderol after 8 months of abx for a positive bartonella infection, but K relapsed within 2 months. In hindsight, these herbs are only used to treat lyme and are not sufficient to kill bartonella, but I didn't understand that at the time. He has other herbal tinctures available which address the other specific coinfections, but I didn't think to ask about them. I trusted that the LLMD was all-knowing.

During the entire last year of abx treatment, K was also taking the BW A-L (for lyme) and A-Bart (for bartonella) supplements. She had no response, good or bad to A-L and herxed horribly with A-Bart. Every time I increased her dosage by 1 drop she would herx (shin/forearm pain, headache, motor ticcing, raging, fatigue), but increase we did. After a couple of months I got her to the point where she was taking 25 drops 3x daily and she kept up this dosage for 8 months until she was weaned from abx.

When the LLMD suggested it was time to discontinue abx, I was concerned because K was still symptomatic. We had never reached that magic point of "3 months past symptom resolution" that LLMD's usually try to attain. We hadn't gotten resolution with Cowden, BW or abx, so I was forced to look elsewhere.

When I suggested starting Buhner's herbs, the LLMD gave me the OK, but said that K's treatment would now be up to me because she knew nothing about the protocols. So I purchased the books, read them all and started the bartonella protocol.

It took a while because I was overenthusiastic which resulted in herx reactions, but after a couple of months I had gotten the entire bartonella protocol going at low doses. I started treating myself with herbs at the same time because 1) our LLMD thought K's infections were congenital which meant I had the infections as well, and 2) because I wasn't going to experiment on K with something that I was unwilling to take myself.

The interesting thing was that I herxed right along with K - same dosages, same reactions (although I don't have the motor ticcing (Tourette's symptoms) she has).

I wasn't until I (on a whim) ordered CSA (a combination tincture created by WoodLandEssence for Buhner's babesia protocol) and trialed it that we found out that K had babesia as well. She had tested negative for both microti and duncanii and was asymptomatic for the infection.

A trip back to the LLMD resulted in a clinical diagnosis for babesia based of the herx reaction to CSA and we then started on Buhner's babesia protocol as well. This is when we really began to see resolution of the final 20% of her bartonella symptoms and a huge improvement in cognitive and executive function (mine as well). I didn't start consulting with Julie until we began the babesia protocol. The babesia coinfections book is just being published now, and I wasn't confident trying to treat just using the information on the website.

So to be fair to Cowden and BW, we obviously weren't using the proper herbs to address our complete infection picture. Perhaps A-Babs would have helped K turn the corner, we just didn't think to try it.