Thank you, Propolis--a natural antibiotic & anti-inflammatory that helps with Lyme and co-infections

I promised to a new member that contacted me to post about Propolis. I do not claim in cures from Lyme and co-infections, although I do find it to be amazing and if taken after one is bit, immediately, for maybe a few months, it may just as well be a cure.

It helps me a lot--after my son started to get seizures from Lyme and co. I started to slip towards being 25% symptomatic. So, I started to take propolis because Dr. K talks about using it, my sister used it for her daughter for leg pain (most likely she has Lyme because she was bit years ago but is no longer symptomatic except for insomnia) and a friend of mine is taking it (she has been bit as a child more times than she can remember--she was hanging out with her ship). So I figure, I'd try it--I have nothing to lose.

My son: 10 years old: he has been infected since August 2013. Pain level gets very bad; with propolis 2 times a day pain is manageable to 0 on some days, but he has some residual head pain from migrains. He did get a flare for 3 days where the pain was more severe than normal, but it may be a herx from Echinacea tea (?no idea) that I have been giving him--maybe some Lyme spirochetes died from it? or maybe it was a barto cycle that had nothing to do with Echinacea tea? Too soon to tell!

5 year old daughter: Infected in Fall 2014. Pain level gets bad but it is hard to measure since she is so little and she doesn't have anything to compare to. Her legs get weak. She is still not able to walk for long periods of times as she used to. Tonight she woke up at midnight because she was in pain. Gave her some propolis and she was asleep and pain free within 10 minutes and stopped crying.

I am not saying that propolis will cure one for lyme but I find it amazing. My son's seizures didn't returned. On his bad days (now rare, when counting severe pain days), I may give him 3 doses (3 half teaspoons) or 2 doses and 1 doze of tylenol. It is possible to use it instead of Tylenol. It decreases his migraines pain although it doesn't always stop the pain completely. He is after all in the worse shape of all of us. So although he was getting seizures every 2 weeks, the abx stopped it for a month and then with the use of propolis we are seizure free since Dec. 2nd 2014.

I do plan to take him to a LLMD on March 9th. BUt at least, for now, we have something very helpful to fall back on, rather than keep using Tylenol several times per day. After a few months on abx, I plan to continue with propolis and some herbs because I do not believe long term antibiotics is the answer. What is in the antibiotics is just as dangerous as the bacteria and long term abx I believe will live lots of unwanted ingredients in the body including heavy metals.

Propolis has been used since 350 BC. Of course if you look on webmd and NIH, you will see that it is given credit for very little and it is said that there is no evidence that Propolis helps for most of the conditions it is used for. It is much more loved in Europe than here for whatever reason and most people that use it that I ran into are in fact European. BUT: lets not forget that NIH, CDC, FDA etc say this about all products that are non-pharmaceutical. Very little credit is given to herbs and natural products, with some being even outlawed or declared weeds, although they have been used for over 1000 years in herbal medicine. It is also mentioned in Buhner's book but I forgot the condition he is listing it for.

In conclusion, yes, I am very happy with the product. It also helps with colds and the flu. I think it is a nice natural addition to anyone's protocol. It is a natural product, so it won't hurt your body like other abx. I hurt my back showing my son how to do some stretches LOL that just shows what kind of shape I am in LOL I took some for my back and the pain didn't go away but it helped, it persisted for 2 days and than it eventually disappeared completely. Weather or not propolis had something to it, I don't know. Maybe the pain would've went away either way, as it happens at times, although sometimes the pain becomes progressively worse for up to a couple of months due to herniated discs in a car accident. Nevertheless, from 25% return of symptoms I am now between 98%-100% symptom free depending on the day. It helps with both Lyme and Barto symptoms for myself and my 2 children, so Thank You, Propolis!

I hope this helps!

Thx Simela, what brand do you buy?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00028NCTG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This is the one I got. It is already mixed with raw organic honey for better bio-viability. Many people buy it separate and mix it themselves but I hear it's messy and sticky, so since I need it quick for all of us, I buy it like this, without the alcohol as it comes in tinctures.

Cat: I am sorry about your husband. I do not know anyone with ALS but I am assuming the pain is extremely high. I don't know if it works for that kind of pain--sorry.

Revive: I posted the link but you can find many others including people that maybe sell propolis in your area that have a bee hive.

Babana: I am curious what an LLMD would think about it. Like I said, it is very loved in Europe--not sure how many people here are using it. Dr. K is from Germany and perhaps that's why he is using it. I bet he started to use it even before he started to practice medicine here.

TB: i tried both. First I bought 1 jar or regular. second order: I bought 3 jars of regular and 1 jar of extra strenght, since there are so many of us using it. I didn't see any difference. It is the same jar--they just put a sticker on the side for the one that is a few bucks more. Either I got the same thing or there is no difference. I will stick with the regular one. I don't like that they use the same jar. Anyone can put a sticker on a product and claim whatever they want.

This company also makes raw organic honey and it has great reviews. I got a jar and kids love it. They don't like any other raw organic honey that they tried.

Simela1 how long after taking it did you see results?

Yes also curious. Do you plan on using it forever? Do you take more than the suggested dose?

Bringing this thread back up after doing some research on propolis. Being in the business I noticed a huge difference in price between the one Simela is using and the Brazilian green propolis which is much more expensive. Turns out that YS sources theirs from China which we know is not good due to pollution and possible issues with quality. The Chinese method of extraction uses alcohol and chemicals while Brazilian propolis uses a water extraction method with no chemicals yielding a more potent and higher quality product. I'm not saying that the YS propolis isn't effective. Brown propolis is still very good but just not as good as the Brazilian green. I'm going to order the one from Naturanectar. It's very pricey but hopefully well worth it.

Hi Simela. A rep from Naturanectar informed me it comes from China. I didn't want to just take his word for it so I called YS and they confirmed it. The honey is a different story. It's not even that it's sourced from China that I have such a big problem with as most supplements do. The issue is more with the extraction method. I'd rather stick with one that I know uses no chemicals and yields a higher profile meaning more beneficial substances get extracted making it a higher quality product. I still think it's pricey and that's mainly due to the lower supply and high demand. The area they source from in Brazil is a small stretch of land spanning about 70 miles according to the rep. Just wanted to throw this out there. Glad you're benefitting from it.

Thanks, Todd. What did you not like about the extraction process and what chemicals are they using? Did you find out how the brazilian one is different? I guess I can always switched to other brand, I will still love propolis and still use it, and I doubt my friends mentioned above used the brazilian kind that benefited them. Thanks for letting me know!

I did not have a clue what to do wit a paste so this is what I got, some gelcaps.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0042OZ1D6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1424587827&sr=8-1&keywords=Natural+Bee+Propolis%2C+200+softgels&dpPl=1&dpid=31HeLzXSoyL&ref=plSrch&pi=AC_SY200_QL40

Is there any reason one would not be as effective?

Thank you!

cd3764- While avoiding fillers is probably a good idea in general, mag stearate has gotten a bad rap from vitamin companies trying to distinguish themselves from others as well as people such as Dr. Mercola. Below is an article debunking the myth that mag stearate is harmful:

http://chriskresser.com/harmful-or-harmless-magnesium-stearate

You can also read other articles proving it's just all hype by Googling mag stearate and Ray Sahelian or wellnessresources. The wellnessresources article actually poses a concern that without mag stearate there could be a question of consistency of the product.

If you're still concerned about fillers then the best way to avoid them is to take a softgel as those usually don't have any. There are a few Brazilian green propolis products I saw online in gels one being one from Dr. Ohirra.

Healing- Yes the green would be the best for that as it contains the most antimicrobial compounds according to Randy from Naturanectar. He informed me that 31 drugs to combat AIDS have been derived from it. The brown has less compounds so it would be the least beneficial but still over 200. The green has over 300 and the red over 400. You would think the red would be the best based on that but for Lyme he says go with the green.

I received the Naturanectar green propolis today and tried one right before lunch. My legs have been pretty achy for several days now. It's that kind of sick achy you get from Lyme. Anyway, it took it completely away for a few hours but I feel it coming back now so the results seem similar to that of your son's. Too early to tell if there will be other benefits but if so I'll report them. These are capsules and not a paste so you would have to open them up and put them in something if he couldn't swallow them. Thanks again for the tip on the propolis.