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Posted 12/15/2011 1:01 AM (GMT 0)
I just received some supplements/herbs in the mail.

Samento & Banderol in tinctures, for fighting infection & inflammation

Nattokinase & Serrapeptase for digestion, inflammation, biofilms

Milk Thistle for liver support



I was just wondering how much you take of these, when to take/not take them, and any other tips you have.

So far I know to take serrapeptase away from food. (should I also not take it along with other supplements/abx/herbs?)

I'm not on ABX right now but assuming my liver gets "ok" then I will probably resume flagyl, amoxicillin, and maybe azithro...
I'm also taking some other digestive enzyme that also helps with inflammation (bromelain)

Thanks for any help. I'm hopeful these will improve my health...

Post Edited (skBM) : 12/17/2011 7:49:50 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/15/2011 2:39 AM (GMT 0)
Bromelain and serrapeptase should be taken on an empty stomach and not with anything else. I would think it would be ok to take them with each other, since they're both enzymes and do different things...but check with your doctor on this to be sure.
Posted 12/15/2011 11:56 AM (GMT 0)
Yes. "Normal " folks take the enzymes with food to aid digestion. Us Lyme folk take the enzymes away from food to break down biofilms (it breaks down the proteins in food and in the biofilms )
Posted 12/15/2011 3:36 PM (GMT 0)
skbm:

I am taking the Samento and the Banderol. Start REALLY slow with them. I went gungho when I first received mine, did 30 drops and felt horrible. I went to bed and slept for 13 hours!

I've been taking them both religiously for a couple of months and I'm only up to 18 drops of each. I would start with a drop and then increase by one drop every other day. Also, you need to take them on an empty stomach. Put the drops into a glass, add four oz of water, let sit for one to two minutes and then drink. I do this right when I get up and right before I go to bed.
Posted 12/15/2011 6:20 PM (GMT 0)
I appreciate the replies thus far...

How much serrapeptase/nattokinase are people taking?
Posted 12/15/2011 6:20 PM (GMT 0)

Razzle said...
Bromelain and serrapeptase should be taken on an empty stomach and not with anything else. I would think it would be ok to take them with each other, since they're both enzymes and do different things...but check with your doctor on this to be sure.

And not the nattokinase with those? redface
Posted 12/15/2011 6:24 PM (GMT 0)
skBM - read the label on the Serrapeptase, if I recollect, it says 2-4 cpasules daily (?). I did 2 capsules a day away from food.
Posted 12/15/2011 9:29 PM (GMT 0)
Welp I think I started everything.

Probiotics in morning, 2 hrs before...
Samento & Banderol, starting with 2 drops each, 2x daily, before meals. Milk Thistle 300mg, 2x daily, also before meals.
Whole food supplements with food.
Serrapeptase (80,000 U) & Nattokinase (4,000 FU) between meals, 2x daily each. Bromelain also between meals, 500mg, 2x daily.

Also added a whole food supplement powder thing that I take twice a day. Saw "yazzer" recommend this one -- it's called "protein & greens."


I've done a lotta research and some believe those herbs w/ supplements can take the place of antibiotics, without the negative side effects. I guess I'll find out if it works for me. I'll probably end up rotating in the abx, at least flagyl, every once in a while.

Reading material:
http://www.townsendletter.com/July2010/sapi0710.html
http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support-forums/medicine-treatments/129318-anyone-against-samento

Post Edited (skBM) : 12/17/2011 7:48:41 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/18/2011 2:46 AM (GMT 0)
Hi, just wanted to report back and let you folks know, that I'm already feeling much better. (Knocking on wood).

As long as I get enough rest, keep a positive attitude (not worrying/stressing too much), I am convinced that this is the regimen I will stay on and that I will get completely better again. I'm already less afraid to exercise or drink a glass of wine. Really looking forward to my progress and wishing the best for the rest of you... always keeping everyone else in mind and I will help in whatever way I can if I think something helped.
Posted 12/18/2011 4:19 PM (GMT 0)
Sk,

The instructions I got with the Samento and Banderol say they should be mixed with water separately -- not taken at the same time.
Posted 12/18/2011 10:54 PM (GMT 0)

achievinggrace said...
Sk,

The instructions I got with the Samento and Banderol say they should be mixed with water separately -- not taken at the same time.



So at different times or just a different glass of water right after each other?
Posted 12/18/2011 11:10 PM (GMT 0)
It said two separate glasses of water, fifteen minutes apart.

I am not sure why that makes a difference, but there it is.
Posted 12/18/2011 11:18 PM (GMT 0)
Haha alright then. That's what I'll do.
Posted 12/19/2011 1:43 AM (GMT 0)
ok so.... I'm really excited because I'm feeling better than I've felt in a long time. Not only since lyme, but even before it. These herbs/enzymes/supplements probably have been clearing up stuff that's been with me for a long time.

Very optimistic.
Posted 12/19/2011 3:25 PM (GMT 0)
Oh Wow...I'm so glad I read this thread again. I did not know that the Samento and Banderol should be taken separately. I have been putting them together in a glass of 4 oz of water....
Posted 12/19/2011 9:59 PM (GMT 0)
^Not that achievinggrace's instructions were wrong, but I'd be surprised if it makes much difference. Haven't read that anywhere else. But... I'm doing it anyways.
Posted 12/20/2011 12:13 AM (GMT 0)
Wow that's great that you're feeling so much better! Keep up the good work!
Posted 3/28/2014 3:03 PM (GMT 0)
Skbm. How are you doing? What's the name of the green protein supplement you mention above? Thx
Posted 7/24/2014 11:39 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry I never replied to the above folks. Didn't check this forum for a while. The supplement was called "protein and greens," which I only took for a short while.

So far, these have still been my most useful herbs/supplements, and I've tried a lot of stuff since my original post (about 2 and a half years ago). It keeps my lyme at bay (although doesn't get rid of it completely), but I believe I have a much more chronic bartonella/protozoan infection that I've had for up to 15 years. I'm going on antibiotics soon for that.

I stopped using the digestive enzymes for a while, but recently started them again. I believe they are definitely very helpful, possibly even crucial for most of us with these diseases.
Posted 3/28/2015 3:53 AM (GMT 0)
Any updates as to how well this protocol ended up working for OP?
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