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Posted 6/23/2015 8:48 AM (GMT 0)
Ok, I really need you guys to give me some kind of advice or guidance here. Here is my story put short- after being bitten in April 2014. I got full range of strong symptoms (extreme fatigue, headache, all joints inflammation and pain, stiff neck, and many others). I started therapy in June 2014 and ended it in January 2015. Even since then I have been off atbs and using some mild supplements but even those were not regular, I only take LDN daily.
Ever since January one be one symptoms were going away, now what is left is the occasional pain in my knees, muscle twitches, and perhaps memory problems but those are very rare.
What do you guys think, should I restart atb therapy or wait to see if my body is able to handle the rest on its own?
Posted 6/23/2015 9:00 AM (GMT 0)
I have read, and been told that treatment should continue until two months after all symptoms have gone.

Have you thought about a herbal protocol to help boost/support your immune system as well as fighting the Lyme?

Personally I would want to make sure it's GONE, like for good. If you relapse you could find yourself back at square one?
Posted 6/23/2015 10:22 AM (GMT 0)
I agree with silly... and after i am "healed" i plan to take a maintenance herb just to be safe. Its something that Trav does...
just can't remember what it is.
Posted 6/23/2015 4:43 PM (GMT 0)
You should still be treating if you have symptoms of infection.
Posted 6/23/2015 6:33 PM (GMT 0)
I agree, you should be back in treatment because you still have ongoing symptoms, which means you still have an ongoing infection. There is no other infection where it is even hinted at stopping treatments before the symptoms are gone.

The herb that I take to keep me Lyme free is astragalus, but it's not for use in chronic Lyme. Buhner says that there are a few people that can take it although they have chronic Lyme, but most cannot. Astragalus raises the parts of the immune system that attack Lyme infections according to Buhner, so massive herxes can happen.

BUT - once the person is healed, taking 1,000 mgs a day for general maintenance is what Buhner recommends, and if you have a tick attach, raise the dose to 3,000 mgs a day immediately and keep it that high for 30 days. Every time I get close to my 30 days of the higher dose of Astragalus, I get bit by another tick!!! But, I have yet to have the symptoms of Lyme disease - so I'm happy!
Posted 6/24/2015 7:08 AM (GMT 0)
You mean to say that I would not be able to handle the astragalus or it would not be useful for me?
EDIT: so you think I would not be able to handle it. I will try it for sure now. Can you recommend me some brand or is it mostly the same?

And what about LDN? It is any good?

Post Edited (Zoner) : 6/24/2015 1:12:40 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/24/2015 11:56 AM (GMT 0)
Like Traveler said, the astragalus is for AFTER you've healed, as maintenance as well as to limit the chance of reinfection.

Everyone seems to think you're still dealing with a very live, active infection, or group of infections, so, no, the astragalus would not be useful for you, at least not alone. You will need more.

As for the LDN, I don't know. I have no experience with that.

What I do know is that, if you're really wanting to heal, I'd take what these people are saying to heart and get as much direction from them as you can, 'cause they're among the most knowledgeable people on this forum.

You want to bury this crap, until there's nothing, or at least, next to nothing left. Do all you can to heal.

Please, don't play around. Don't take chances.

I hate to imply that you are not taking your treatment seriously, but.. you saying things like "I'm only taking this one thing" or that you weren't being regular in some of your efforts to heal, that stuff scares me.

Maybe I'm missing something - if so, I apologize, but, from where I'm looking, it seems as if you're giving the sickness(es) a chance to grow.

I'm sorry to just spam your post like this, but..

Don't throw away your future - save it, while you still have a real chance. If not for you, then for me, a total stranger. Please. I want health for you.

Good luck.


If I have offended, intruded, again, sorry.
Posted 6/24/2015 7:36 PM (GMT 0)

Zoner said...
You mean to say that I would not be able to handle the astragalus or it would not be useful for me?
EDIT: so you think I would not be able to handle it. I will try it for sure now. Can you recommend me some brand or is it mostly the same?

And what about LDN? It is any good?

From the way Buhner speaks of it on his site, using astragalus when you are still dealing with chronic Lyme could lead to a massive herx of dire proportions - not something you should "try", since herxes can become life threatening. Astragalus raises the parts of the immune system that attack the Lyme bacteria, so you could have a massive immune system over-reaction.

Now, from my understanding, LDN is supposed to be easier to control the reactions, even though it also raises the immune function - but you need treatment with anti-bacterial herbs/medicines, not to just raise your immune function. remember, this is a very complex bacterial infection that you need to get under control.

I would greatly encourage you to go back to your LLMD and ask about these things and get started back into treatment so that you can get back to your life without dealing with these symptoms.
Posted 7/14/2015 12:12 PM (GMT 0)
Please tell me is that the only bad effect ( major herx ) I could get from astragalus, because I also read things like this:

http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/herbs/astragalus-contraindicated/

Because thay goes beyond just herx

Post Edited (Zoner) : 7/14/2015 6:17:03 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/14/2015 7:56 PM (GMT 0)
That's exactly what I was talking about - it raises the parts of the immune system that attack the Lyme - so major herx. A major herx can be life threatening for some, even if it comes from taking herbs.

You can start off with a very small amount (500 mgs once a day or every other day, or only three times a week) and see how you handle it. It's not like dealing with pharma drugs - with herbs, you can reduce your dosage or raise your dosage as needed. You still have to have the recommended doses to do what the claims are - but you don't have to go on a full dose immediately and you can back down your dose if need be.

In other words, if you don't use the astragalus at 1,000 mgs a day - you won't have the protection - but you can take as long as you need to build up to that amount without worrying about dependency or it not working once you get up to the needed dose.

Have I muddied the waters enough? Sorry. It might be best for you to go back to that link and read it through more carefully. That statement is why I started using astragalus after battling a 40 yr old Lyme infection and then getting reinfected just last year. I'm done with having Lyme!! I use the astragalus and it has worked very well for me.
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