My Update ... Attempting to use the "Cured Twice Protocol"

Well I should let everyone know about my update and what I have been upto.

So I started cured twice's protocol and did it for a good 14 days. In case anyone doesn't know what cured twice's protocol is. He takes 1 x minocycline pill (100 mg pill) and 1 x tinidazole pill (250 mg) every second day. Then he drinks 1 tea bag of Red Zinger tea with 10 drops of Wild Cherry Bark extract daily. This has cured his lyme twice, the second time in 60 days.

Well I am happy to report that this protocol does work, but one thing I will say for sure is that it doesn't help bartonella, it only works for borrelia! So yes, my bartonella came back a little tiny bit. I was Lyme symptom free and only had a few minor herxes when starting this protocol out, but my bartonella slowly crept back. It is in no way nearly as bad as it was back in December, January, February, or March. But it is still evident. I got minor inflammation in various parts of my body that match issues with the vascular system. I don't have the anxiety cognitive or insomnia that I once had before though so it didn't come back that bad.

I have to focus myself on one infection at a time as I really don't want to set myself back in treatment. So I figure I will attempt at treating the bartonella infection first and clear that one for 2 months before attempting to hit at the Lyme.

I have to admit at first I was a bit skeptical of the Cured Twice Protocol as the doses of 100 mg mino and 250 mg tind dosed together every second day seems like a low dose for both medications. But When pulsing it every second day it encourages the lyme to reproduce and when it does it gets them. So on a positive note yes it works and I learned that by experience and symptoms, but on the downside if you have a bartonella infection it may take over the prominent symptoms. I was also taking Nutramedix Houttuynia extract in hopes that would address the bartonella. But it didn't work alone for bartonella.

I did use the A-Bart for 1 month and that did seem to work. I also hear Buhners protocol for bartonella can get rid of it so i may attempt that. Or I have to alternate dual intracellular antibiotics.

On another positive note of cured twice protocol, because I was taking much less antibiotics with it, this has cleared up the yeast that was on my tongue so that is no longer an issue.

Jeez it's not easy to juggle these infections! On a positive note this protocol DOES work for Borrelia, and gave me an opportunity to get rid of the yeast... The downside is that the bartonella came back.

Well I guess it's all part of the learning in trying to get to the 100% symptom free goal that I am on and be completely off antibiotics!

Hi Traveler. Actually it works! I believe it does work based on my change of symptoms on the way I treat. I had tiny herxes from Lyme in the beginning and then was Lyme symptom free.

I can tell the difference in Lyme symptoms and bartonella symptoms based on how I treat it.

I think people underestimate the bacteriostatic powers of minocycline and even bacteriaciidal properties(during lyme growth). It is 2.85 times more lipid soluble than doxycycline is getting into tissues that much better and getting inside the germ that much better too. If doxy dose is recommended at 2.5 mg/lb body weight that would mean I need 357.5 mg/day of doxy to treat Lyme. So that works out to be 125 mg minocycline/day when you think of lipid solubility. Pulsing it encourages them to reproduce. Or leave and move out of cells if they are hiding there too. I too thought it was too low a dose but I was interested in trying anyways. I figured there is no harm in trying really. I'm still close to 100% symptom free. Also I think going off the abx for a day lets my immune system work at the infection too. My Bart came back ever so mildly but evident. I was Bart symptom free for awhile and thought it was treated! I get the vascular rashes on my feet, and some foot/shin pain. But I don't have the anxiety insomnia or brain fog that I had back in December-March. I really don't feel like I've lost any progress in recovery by doing this, only gained the knowledge, experience of a new treatment that is overall more easily tolerated for me.

Post Edited (LymePickle) : 7/27/2014 9:54:32 PM (GMT-6)

Well, I was on Mino for a full year - that was the only abx I have ever used for these infections.

I haven't done enough research on the different types of Borrelia to know if the information is even out there on if they cycle inside of us at the same time or not.

I'm just cautioning you that low doses have not been found to be effective in the long run and asking that you post some links with your information - the only thing we know for sure about treatments is that every treatment doesn't work for every person.

I've never pulsed anything, not abx or herbs, yet I healed very quickly. I don't have an explanation for this, because I didn't go through a bunch of testing to know what all was going on inside - I can only surmise.

All of the scientific literature related to why the Pulsed Protocol works so well against Borrelia are in this thread, including on page 4, new work done in the last 3 years:

http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4891

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Post Edited (CuredTwice) : 7/2/2015 8:01:14 AM (GMT-6)

CuredTwice
What dosage do you use of each of the antibiotics Tinidazole and Minocycline?

Lyme Pickle maybe it's time for you to try the bee venom therapy. I am feeling awesome, feel like I'm so much farther ahead in only 10 weeks than I got with antibiotics in 18 months. The lady who runs our facebook group is an acupuncturist who have done bee stings for 20 some yrs on acupuncture points and have healed many people including people with Lyme. She healed her Lyme.

The group on facebook is, Pioneers: Healing Lyme with Bee Venom Therapy. They will teach you what you need to know. You need an epi pen,3000 Vit C per day and some bees which run 10 cents per bee.

Drummingdad - The antibiotics LP was using - minocycline and tinidazole for the curedtwice protocol - are commonly used for treating lyme. So, LP probably wouldn't have trouble getting those antibiotics...and in fact he'd most likely have some left over...as the dose is lower than the recommended amounts for lyme treatment.
Some LLMD's discuss with patients what the next step is...and others have set protocols and just prescribe.

I talked to my Dr. about going on Minocycline - when he was discussing prescribing doxy - (with Rifampin for treating bartonella)...and he agreed to prescribe mino for me. I also have some tinidazole left over from several months ago...and with those two, i would be able to try the cured twice protocol...if I wanted...but I don't want to...lol.