Maybe I shouldn't post this here, but...

I came across this article put out by ABC News. I have included the link.

Nov 8, 2015 — Major Health Insurance Company Promises to Seek Discipline Against Doctors Who diagnose and treat "chronic Lyme Disease.

Among those most eager to accept this definition are America's health insurers, in order to limit their liabilities. In one letter cited in tonight's report, one major health insurance company promises to seek discipline against doctors who diagnose and treat "chronic" Lyme disease. No matter that many patients insist the lingering illness, which can be both physically and psychologically disabling, is continuous with their originally diagnosed Lyme disease; no matter that the constellations of symptoms of both 30-day and "long-term" Lyme disease certainly overlap — most medical texts insist the late-lasting symptoms are the product of something else and not Lyme disease.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=128770&page=1

First of all I would like to say THANK YOU Cubs for bringing up a topic that not many people have the guts to bring up! WHY are doctors treating people with Lyme "properly", why do the Doctors that do get austrocized and are required to work in the shadows like criminals, why are the cases of Lyme so under reported. I have so much on that but this is a quick reply....so CUBS103 is awesome 😉

Is Dr. Jones still practicing? I have tried to contact him.

I just wanted to chuck my two cents worth in, specifically regarding the initial post that refered to Rife treatment as a placebo, and also my 2 cents worth on the 'conspiracy' surrounding lyme (OK, that's four cents, but ya know!!)

Regarding rife treatments my veiw is very much grounded in my scientific way of thinking, I have a BSc in combined Science, though I majored in Physics and also studied psychology too. The point in question when discussing Rife treatments becomes one of how electromagnetic frequencies can and do affect organisms.

Now, I will endevour not to let the science run away with me, and keep this as simple as I can make it. We know, for example that electromagnetic wave frequencies make up a spectrum that contains not only visible light, but also frequencies that we know can cause harm. This is 'common knowledge', regardless of whether or not you have stusied science. For example, UV damages the skin and has the potential to cause cancer. Likewise, microwaves and over exposure to xrays can have damaging effects on the body. Not to mention the likes of Gamma radiation etc etc. These are therefore proven effects of electromagnetic frequencies causing specific effects that are popularly known and accepted.

Given that Rife machines are the use of specific electromagnetic frequencies that are aimed at altering or harming specific bacterial organisms would it therefore not be logical to assume that such EM frequencies can be used to destroy Lyme bacteria?

It is a given that we do not have much of an understanding or what electrons are (in terms of particle theory v's wave theory, or even string theory and M theory for that matter). Not to mention our frankly limited grasp of the true nature of magnetism. It could therefore be argued that if we don't know exactly how to define the very elements of electromagnetism it is impossible to determine how we can assertain how the procedure could be effective.

Yet no such arguement is put forth rebutting the cause and effect of UV, xrays or microwaves for exampl. We have studied the causes (the wave frequencies) and the effects (cancers, birth defects, etc, etc) and we are satisfied that this is proof enough. Therefore, why not Rife? It has been shown to work in vitro (which as we know is about the best you get with Lyme, even with regards to antibiotics). To me it seems wrong to simply dismiss it as a placebo, or quack treatment, given the positive results that it produces in people, me included.

In addition, Lyme is NOT the only 'conspiricy'. In fact it is not a 'conspiracy' at all, it is simply the same as so many other issues that we find ourselves with today, in that it is driven by politics and econpmics. Take any one of a number of issues and scratch beneath the surface and examine the real driving forces behind them. They are complex, interconnected and often surprising, but always profit driven.

This is an area that interests me greatly. I am not a believer in conspiracies, per se, I am more a believer in the information, or more often mis- or dis-information, that is driven by such political and economic will, or lack of it, and there is simply no denying that even politics today is driven more and more by economics and profit these days.

Of course there will always be the unscrupulous, who will take a concept and mass market it to the lay person, baffle them with science that sounds convincing and appeals to the desperate (as so many Lyme patients are) and offer products that are essentially without benefit. Not all Rife machines are actually rife machines no matter what it says on the box, as a case in point. But we see this everyday in 'propaganda' driven advertising campaigns covering a huge range of products, this is not just confined to medicine.

Essentially, I admire scepticism, no one should take anything at face value, just because they have been told it is fact does not make it so. But when it comes to Rife an understanding of the science we all 'know' goes a long way to understanding its potential in treating a wade variety of illnesses, not just lyme.

Sorry peeps, it was supposed to be shorter.... I went a bit 'off on one' ;)

Post Edited (silly sheep) : 11/16/2015 2:14:22 AM (GMT-7)

ss~How do u measure the hertz & effectiveness or the strength & viability of your rife machine? Is it just from a feeling better effect or does any sort of testing accompany the zapping?

Buttercup~Dr Jones is in his 80's & I don't think still practicing. I did find this link below, tho u might want to ask the moderators for help here.

http://www.childrenslymenetwork.org/contact-childrens-lyme-disease-network/

Side discussion from original topic, but another interview here with Dr Jones that may of interest to parents:

http://lymeconnection.org/news_publications/meet_the_lyme_disease_experts.html/title/straight-talk-with-pediatrician-dr-charles-ray-jones

I wouldn't bother with the IFA/ELISA -

The Igenex IgM and IgG cost just over $200.00 - I would go with the Igenex lab.

On a slightly different, but same themed, note - I am intrigued to see how much illnesses, including chronic lyme, are determined by our genetics.

I just watched a very interesting documentry (BBC) about the effects of exercise. Now the general theory says that 3 half hour sessions a week of cardio workout are beneficial to everyones general health....WRONG!!

In fact it has been established that while for the majority of people it will be beneficial (some more so than others), and for a few it will have fantastic results, yet for another group of people, however much they stick to this routine, they are never going to improve their overall health this way. Why? They have discovered that it is genetically determined. No amount of cardio workout will improve their overall health and fitness. The bloke doing the documentry did all the exercise in the 'proper' fashion and was tested and retested and saw no improvement. Nada. Nicht. Tipota!! Then they tested his DNA and showed him that this corresponded to what they would have told him, given his genetic profile.

Interesting, no??

And I firmly believe that the genetics involved (not just each persons ability to detox) are a part ot the puzzle that we have until recently had no access to, and even now are just beginning to be able to piece together. I guess the same therefore goes for the bacterial DNA, perhaps....

PS i also cleared up my guinea pigs' fungal skin infection with rife when the creams failed as he had seizures while trying to apply them, and another with a recurring URI who has abx intolerance. I mean real life guinea pigs here, not my husband, lol

I think if you have had all those tests done and been told you are fine and it's in your head, you've probably described many people with Lyme.

It's a really sad situation that so many people are suffering and told they are crazy.