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Posted 12/11/2015 9:00 PM (GMT 0)
Hi,
I want to try my 6 yr old son on the Cowden protocol, but the problem is that he is at school all day and I can't give him the lunch time doses. It says it has to be 30 minutes before a meal, and I just don't think that is possible for him to do that at school. Will it still work if he combines the lunch time ones with the morning ones? I am so overwhelmed by all of this. Thank you
Posted 12/11/2015 9:22 PM (GMT 0)
I would not combine two doses together. That would be too much at once. You have to start with low doses so he doesn't herx. That would be like taking two antibiotics together-- not a good idea.

You could just do it at breakfast and dinner to start. Is it supposed to be three times a day? I can't recall.
Posted 12/12/2015 3:31 AM (GMT 0)
I think it is 3 times a day and I would do just before he leaves for school and then immediately when he gets home and then just before bed. That should space it out appropriately.
Posted 12/12/2015 12:16 PM (GMT 0)
I only take mine twice a day, Am before breakfast and PM before dinner away from food on an empty stomach.
Posted 12/12/2015 1:14 PM (GMT 0)
As Sarah mentioned, combining doses is not a good idea - too much at once.

Per the protocol as published on the Nutramedix site, dosing is actually 4x daily - 30 minutes before breakfast, lunch, dinner and at bedtime.

Buhner calls for dosing 3x daily. If an adult wanted to dose Cowden 3x daily, it makes sense to slowly titrate the doses to a point where the total number of drops taken is the same as what would be achieved with 4x daily dosing. I doubt a child would take such large doses and I think your son would be fine dosing 3x daily as PeteZa suggested.

Without a doubt, start with 1 drop of 1 herb once daily and wait a few days to gauge reaction. Then you could add 1 drop of another herb and wait.

If all is going well, you could slowly titrate up to 3x daily dosing.

Best of luck to you and your son moving forward!
Posted 12/12/2015 11:23 PM (GMT 0)
In regards to the cowden protocol, I'm a bit confused. On the site it says take the banderol for 2-3 months then switch over to samento? Why is that?

Can you start them both at the same time (albeit very slowly) for synergistic effects? Then rotate in the other herbs like cumanda, enula, etc?

Also, from what I've read a lot of the dosing with these herbs (the antimicrobials specifically) seems to be 2x a day, detox stuff 4x, but I suppose every llmd has their own treatment methodology.

Btw, these herbs are quite powerful as I'm realizing!
Posted 12/14/2015 1:08 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the replies. Just one more question-why is it necessary to wait 30 minutes before eating? Do you think it would be a lot less effective if taken with food? Sometimes it's just not possible to give it to my son on an empty stomach because of schedules, etc.
Posted 12/14/2015 1:22 PM (GMT 0)

sebreg said...
In regards to the cowden protocol, I'm a bit confused. On the site it says take the banderol for 2-3 months then switch over to samento? Why is that?

Can you start them both at the same time (albeit very slowly) for synergistic effects? Then rotate in the other herbs like cumanda, enula, etc?

Also, from what I've read a lot of the dosing with these herbs (the antimicrobials specifically) seems to be 2x a day, detox stuff 4x, but I suppose every llmd has their own treatment methodology.

Btw, these herbs are quite powerful as I'm realizing!

I'm not sure where on the site you read this, sebreg but Samento and Banderol are to be taken on the same days (just not at the same time).

I followed the full Cowden protocol and used this schedule as listed on the Nutramedix site (dosing chart starts on page 3:

www.nutramedix.ec/ns/images/stories/CSP05052015Schedule_1.pdf

And, yes, some LLMD's incorporate some of the herbs and possibly from different protocols.

Without a doubt, herbs can pack quite the punch. In fact, I had my worst-ever herx on Samento and Banderol and that was after taking abx for 5 months.
Posted 12/14/2015 1:25 PM (GMT 0)

elibob said...
Thanks for the replies. Just one more question-why is it necessary to wait 30 minutes before eating? Do you think it would be a lot less effective if taken with food? Sometimes it's just not possible to give it to my son on an empty stomach because of schedules, etc.

Buhner says it doesn't matter:

buhnerhealinglyme.com/basics/herbs-with-food-or-without/

While the Cowden protocol incorporates some herbs other than what Buhner recommends, I know that Buhner also says that all of the herbs he recommends can be taken with all of the herbs in all other herbal protocols....and people should take whichever herbs they feel will help.

All of that said, I think your son will be fine taking the herbs with food.
Posted 12/14/2015 1:47 PM (GMT 0)
I've been researching this protocol. How does one buy this Cowden formula without going to a doctor or LLMD? Obviously the guy spells it out very well. If we know what we have and our dealing with, I'd rather save the $300 to see a LLMD, and just find a place to order this.
Posted 12/14/2015 1:58 PM (GMT 0)
You can buy direct on the Nutramedix site without involving a doctor.

Pureformulas.com (check for coupons :) sells Nutramedix products with free shipping but they are overall more expensive than what you would pay on Amazon (with free Prime shipping if you're a member :)
Posted 12/14/2015 8:49 PM (GMT 0)
thanks for the info cd3764! I'm thinking of switching over to cowden for a while, where I can manage dosing more easily than with abx and stay on top of herxing. Seems like I respond strongly to the Cowden herbs so hopefully they are doing something.

Then I can look at trying abx again if I can make progress with this protocol.
Posted 12/14/2015 10:46 PM (GMT 0)
To anyone considering Cowden....

I highly suggest you follow the full protocol because it includes herbs that address Babesia and Bartonella.

It was because of herxing on those co-infection specific herbs that I began to suspect that I was one of "those people" with the not-all-that-uncommon asymptomatic Babesia/Babesia-like and Bartonella/Bartonella-like infections.

Treating for those 2 infections are resulting in improvements for me that were quite elusive after 5 months on abx and almost 6 months on the full Cowden protocol.
Posted 12/15/2015 12:56 AM (GMT 0)
For a child I really recommend going slow. The last thing you want is a call from the school because he is sick (herxing). I would not up his herb at breakfast. I would only up it when he gets home. Only a mother really knows if he is having a reaction, not a teacher. Just my 2 cents.

In other words, the dose you give him at night should be the same dose for breakfast. Then if it is time to up it a couple of drops do it when he gets home from school so you can supervise.

Post Edited (PeteZa) : 12/14/2015 5:59:30 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/15/2015 1:08 AM (GMT 0)
G-r-e-a-t suggestion, PeteZa!!!!
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