Bartonella protocol: Actions of each herb

I don't have my book in front of me and don't have the time right now to go through and read about each herb...if no one responds...I may have some time later...once my early Easter dinner is over with.

Just wanted to comment - that I switched from capsules to herbs because adding one more tincture to the rest was easier than taking capsules in addition to the tinctures I was taking.
I am tired of swallowing the capsules and pills ....

Why don't you add the Red Root in?

It IS one of the bart supportive herbs, as swelling/sore lymph nodes is a common bart symptom. Red Root helps clear the debris from the lymph nodes.

If you read Buhner's books, he states that his recommendations are just that: recommendations.

He encourages adding in herbs you think might be of benefit and opting out of herbs that don't resonate for you. He also states that all of the herbs he recommends can be used with all of the herbs of all other herbal protocols.

It's really about crafting an individualized protocol that addresses the infection(s) and the person's specific symptoms picture.

Red root is part of Buhner's Babesia and Bartonella protocols, though.

Those two infections mess with our blood vessels and red root helps clear the RBC rouleaux they cause.

Rifampin combined with another Antibiotic is often prescribed. (Biaxin/Zithromax/minocycline/doxy) - one of those is often paired with it.

I've also seen Bactrim with zithromax.


The fluoroqunolone class of antibiotics are effective, but they come with a black box warning for the risk of tendon rupture, so my Dr. doesn't usually prescribe it.

From what I have read the Fluoroquinolone class of abx are most effective...but I personally don't want to risk tendon rupture. I have also read that another risk is permanent peripheral neuropathy.

I think Rifampin paired with another antibiotic is the second choice. My LLND usually prescribes this - especially with long standing Bart infections.

He sometimes treats with a macrolide (eg. Zithromax) paired with a tetracycline (eg. doxycycline) - but usually when the patient hasn't had the infection for long. It is more difficult to treat if not caught early.

I don't know where Bactrim paired with a second antibiotic fits in with effectiveness - compared to the other protocols.

They should be taken until symptom free. I think a minimum 4-6 months. It often takes longer. In fact it's not unheard of for treatment to last a year or more.
For me...it will be difficult to know when I am symptom free as I have nerve issues...not easy to tell when infection is gone and I have just damaged nerves that need to heal.

Rifampin comes in a capsule.

Taken daily? Well, I have read that bartonella can become resistant to antibiotics...and should be taken daily without a break.

But, I did that for about 5 - 6 months and felt like I was plateaued...so I took a break to see where my symptoms stood...and now I am back on them, but I am pulsing them
I decided to pulse them after reading that a well known experienced LLMD's protocols are all pulsed...even for bartonella.
So now I take them on M/W/F (Rifampin and minocycline) as well as Ceftin on Th/F.
After I've been doing that for several weeks, I will start taking a week off after two weeks on.

***Note - I am not recommending anyone follow what I am doing - I am doing this fully aware of it being contradictory to how many LLMD's treat Bartonella. *****

In regards to detox and lymph node drainage you can also use Pekana Detox Kit several here use it and I'm on it as well. This along with the epsom salt baths are helping me some especially after a round of bart bug die off when my lymph nodes swell and my extremities get tingly and numb.

I know Tinidazole is usually used for cyst busting...I haven't heard it used for bart...

Never used planequil and after using Cipro for a few weeks I will never use a quinoline again gave me very bad tingling/numbness in my extremities which I think was independent of the bart symptoms + sore tendons in my calf.

Tinidazole has anti-bacterial/parasitical action and is also known to have action against all 3 forms of Lyme. I pulsed it along with Cefdinir (Omnicef) for many months. I think it knocked my Lyme out and did some damage to the Babesia parasites running amok in my system.

My new LLMD doesn't use Tinidazole due to its toxic effects on the body. It helped me but if I was using my current doctor I would've went another route.

Thank you all for giving me information about Bart abx. It means a lot to me. Take care

Dr. M (Bart expert), is now saying Lumbrokinase is an essential part of bart treatment as it causes damage to the endothelial cells of the vascular system, the damage causes fibrin to build up, like mini clots, and then bart accumulates in the fibrin, and sometimes is protected from the antibiotics because of the shielding effect of the fibrin.

So now I'm taking lumbrokinase twice daily on an empty stomach... I'm considering it the 'essential' part of my bart treatment. But mind you ever since I started lumbrokinase I have been getting much worse.

Hi Girlie , Difference between them as much as I know is that lumbrokinase is generally the much more effective proteolytic enzymes... They are backed by research in what they can do for the cardiovascular system. Some docs say serrapeptase still works, just that the lumbrokinase works much better. It's also more potent in how much is taken.

But it's also ridiculously expensive! Anyways my daily routine is to make sure I take it now, I think it might be what is holding me back from beating Bart once and for all. Bart just keeps hiding in fibrin deposits and it's just made worse with respect to how long I've had it. I consider it as essential as the abx are now in my treatment, if not more essential.