Started Buhner's Bartonella protocol a few days ago

Good luck and make sure you detox.

You are much braver than I. I went low and slow and very cautiously because I have had reactions to some of the herbs.

Please keep us informed how it goes.

And here is wishing you all the best!!

I share PeteZa's and Girlie's thoughts....especially once you move to Isatis/Houttuynia/Alchornea - those are all anti-bacterial and can set you up for a massive herx.

I hope you'll consider starting those particular herbs individually and in lower doses....

It's clear the Sida Acuta dose increase, probably the Japanese Knotweed and possibly the Cordyceps caused the herx you developed. Hawthorne might have helped ease some of the herx because of its actions on the heart.

Still, the more powerful herbs are yet to come and, again, I really hope you proceed with caution. No need to kill yourself while trying to kill the bugs.

Folks,
When you start a herb protocol, you prepare the protocol yourself or you need find a doctor(ND ?) to work together for the protocol?

Thanks PeteZa, I will.

Best of luck to you rikky

I think 30 drops is 1/4 tsp? So 1 1/4 tbsp a day (did I do the math right?)

Rikky1 you go dude! Be your own guinea pig. I did Buhner and did not do it the "right" way and I am doing fine. I think we all pave our own roads on this trip.

More power to you and I hope it goes well.

Just a note, it took me about 4 months on full dose to start feeling a lot better. So hang in there.

I will be your cheerleader!!

I am always a full supporter of everyone going their own path - but for the sake of others reading this thread who might get the idea to take a massive dose of Buhner herbs (we all want to heal fast and quick, though there is no such thing...but taking too much, too quick is a tempting notion), I cannot pass up emphasizing to someone about to try these herbs that, at a minimum, you should introduce each herb one drop at a time. If you do "ok" then, though I still don't recommend it, gulp away if you must.

Here is the thing: there is no danger in someone who doesn't react to Buhner herbs taking only 1 little drop, but there sure the (swear word) is danger for someone who is very sensitive or pathogen overloaded in taking a FULL DOSE first thing.

ONE LITTLE DROP of Houttuynia caused tremendous pain throughout back and rib cage
ONE LITTLE DROP of Sida and Alchornea made me sicker than I've been in a long time - having reactivated virus symptoms - which is why I haven't been on here much lately

Some of the long timers on here freely report how just a few drops did them in of Buhner protocol. Herbal medicine has been around for thousands of years. It is powerful medicine. I just want to keep those safe who are thinking of trying it for the first time - pleading with them to respect this medicine AND to, at a minimum, do a one drop trial.

These herbs kill OTHER THINGS besides the big 3 people use them for. If you have a lot of general bacteria and parasites to kill off in you body, one drop will produce a lot of die off and overwhelm your immune system fast.

Please be safe with herbal medicine - and please encourage others to be as well.

ursamajor68

i also concur with your recommendations. I have had huge responses to only a drop or two.

The thing is, I never know if i am reacting to the herb, or if this is a herx. Anybody out there
have some way of distinguishing the two reactions, one from the other.

Thank you PeteZa....

Oldfarmer, I'm sure others have more clear explanations than I do - but I find your question intriguing.

Decades ago, I used to be an antibiotic taker (I don't take them anymore). I have always been really "in tune" with my body - may sound corny, but it is just the truth in my case. Anyway, when I had a lung abscess years ago and took antibiotic, I "felt" the heat or pain or what have you in the exact area where my infection was. When I'd take antibiotic for a sinus infection or ear infection, I would feel this same power - heat, pain - from the treatment.

With Buhner herbs (I am treating the big 3 all at once), just like in the old days, when I introduce herbs in a certain protocol, I have a certain cluster of symptoms specific to that illness. For example, my side effect from Houttuynia (Bart) was nothing like the side effect from Alchornea (Babesia) or Cat's Claw (Lyme). For me, herbal medicine heads right to its targets. When I "herx" I get fatigued, run down and a lot of neuro twitches. But the old "feeling" it in a certain area (and keep in mind these areas in me are the ones that have bothered me for decades...sinus, lung, GI tract) remains.

That's just my body - but if I find one thing to be grateful for, it is that I have good communication going on with my body....and am so grateful plant medicine and my body have a working relationship.

When I got a reaction to a new herb it was like an alarm went off in me saying "this is wrong." I only had 2 reactions and both involved my heart.