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Posted 4/30/2016 12:11 PM (GMT 0)
Saw LLMD recently who told me to go back on Doxy (to add to Rifampin) along with 5 different tinctures (Cordyceps 20 drops 2x/day, Hawthorne 20 drops 2x/day, Cats Claw 10 drops 2x/day, Azinat (immune regulator and anti inflammatory) 15 drops 2x/day and Cardrak (hearth health) 15 drops 2x/day. Dealing with Bart main symptom is the chest. Oh and I also started low dose naltrexone.

The heart palps have gotten much worse in fact they don't cycle anymore they are just constant since starting the protocol. Impossible to live like this. Am I herxing from too much stuff being added at once? I'm thinking of stopping everything but the Rifampin/Doxy (also keeping the supplements) and see if things die down.

I've done lots of detoxing and its not doing anything. I think its just the bugs getting too excited causing chest issues and I need to back off. Thoughts on approach and what herbs I maybe should try to slowly ramp up on? Thx.
Posted 4/30/2016 1:03 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry you're having such issues, Rikky!

It does sound like you are herxing.

Unfortunately, it's virtually impossible to know what's to blame when we start multiple things at the same time.

I'd be inclined to go back to what you were taking before the LLMD switched things up....see if things die down....and then slowly add one new thing at a time starting with the heart support stuff because it sounds like you need help in that area.

The immune regulator stuff (Cordyceps, Cat's Claw and Azinat) might be elevating parts of the immune system that are causing the herx and I'd re-start each of them one at a time in smaller doses.

Best of luck to you unraveling this and, even more so, in getting back to baseline and healing!
Posted 4/30/2016 1:18 PM (GMT 0)
Rikky1, this may sound crazy but when I started the Hawthorne tincture I began to have very strong heart palps and couldn't sleep. I am not saying this is your problem but it was for me. I stopped it and then restarted it with just two drops a day and slowly built up.
Posted 4/30/2016 3:50 PM (GMT 0)
I so agree with cd. I think you just went too fast with a lot of stuff and your body is revolting. We have to take baby steps or we pay dearly.

So sorry.
Posted 5/1/2016 1:11 AM (GMT 0)
thanks everyone this is the second LLMD that didn't bother to mention starting things slowly with the homeopathic stuff. i know from listening to people here and it seems my own experience that you can be affected by something as small as 1 drop of an herbal tincture.

i backed off everything but my rifampin/doxy/naltrexone and will call LLMD on monday and discuss the proper ramp up and sequencing of medicines. i mean he did it for doxy (50mg to 100mg 2x a day over 2 weeks) so why not other stuff?
Posted 5/1/2016 2:25 PM (GMT 0)
I too just started the hawthorn and yes it caused palps for me as well. I started with 6 drops. I think I'm going to back down to 2-3 as ramp up. I am only doing 10 drops of cats claw. Tried 12 today and was VERY anxious. What a difference 2 drops can make?
Posted 5/1/2016 3:49 PM (GMT 0)
It does not mean that it is working better or that we are stronger by taking more drops. I actually wish that there were no dosage numbers.

In beginning herbs I thought the game plan was to get up to the highest dosage. I learned that my quality dosage is different for each herb and how I react to it.
Posted 5/1/2016 4:26 PM (GMT 0)
that's the problem peteza how to determine what is optimally working for you for each herb. there are no signposts to tell you what that means for any individual. we know what the herbs are supposed to do but for those where you can't "feel it" how does one know what optimal is? i go by as many experts that have an opinion on it as possible and go from there.
Posted 5/1/2016 4:35 PM (GMT 0)
Rikky1, if I got a symptom, herx or even just felt funny when I upped my dose I backed off until the feeling went away and then would try to up again after a day or 2. If I got the same feeling, I decided that staying at that lower one was best.

I have taken some where I felt I could drink the whole bottle and nothing would happen. On those I just go up to Buhner's max dosage and stay there.

However, if something comes up, it will be the first one I move up in dosage.

It is all trial and error and I made so many errors. If there was something to do wrong, I probably did it. It is laughable now.

One of the funniest was in Buhner's book he said take equal parts of Red Sage and Skullcap. I did exactly that. I got a glass measuring cup and mixed my entire 4 ounces of Red Sage with my 4 ounces of Skullcap and then used a funnel and poured the mixture back into the 2 - 4 oz bottles. I labeled the bottles and began to take drops of the mixture. What a dumb move!! If I had of had a reaction to that mixture there is no way I would have known which herb was the cause and I would have wasted both bottles. I was lucky and had no problems, but sheesh, not smart. Lesson learned!! I have a ton of those kinds of stories. It is amazing that I am doing so well.
Posted 5/1/2016 5:16 PM (GMT 0)
Its SO hard to determine the specific cause, isnt it? For me, I get those pounding heartbeats from certain herbs im allergic to. I also get a pounding heartbeat from eating foods im intolerant to, and herxing gives me the pounding heartbeats also. Inwas taking a supplement once that has bromelian which is frim the pineapple plany and IM ALLERGIC to pineapple. Soon as I ceased that supplement my constant pounding heartbeat went away..

I hope you can solve yours! I agree with the one who suggested stopping everything and gradually add back in one at a time!
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