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Posted 5/1/2016 1:05 AM (GMT 0)
I woke up today and found 2 ticks embedded on my legs. I pulled them off but they were probably attached for 24hr or so. I am currently on bicillin shots once a week (2.4 million) Should I be all set? I am really worried I don't want to get worse or get any co-infections. The nurse at my doctors office said I was all set since I'm on antibiotics. Anyone know?
Posted 5/1/2016 1:40 AM (GMT 0)
Pray you dont get babs..also cillan will on work on things with cell wall..what @cyst buster ? And myco or cpn dont have cell walls..i am a debbie downer ..i would wait a bit get coinfection test..
Posted 5/1/2016 1:53 AM (GMT 0)
I see my doc on Monday but he seems to think that being on antibiotics acts as a carrier to tick borne diseases. Not sure if that accurate (i hope it is! lol) co infections sound terrible.

Anyone know how long before a rash shows up if you do get a rash?
Posted 5/1/2016 2:16 AM (GMT 0)
Sean - you should be covered taking antibiotics with a new bite ...but I'm not familiar wth the bicillin dosing to say one way or another if it's an appropriate amount.
Posted 5/1/2016 2:17 AM (GMT 0)
It might be a good idea to add start taking some Lyme herbs.
Posted 5/1/2016 2:21 AM (GMT 0)
Astragalus is recommended by S Buhner for new tick bites ....to prevent infection...but I'm not sure about taking it when you are treating chronic Lyme as well....anyone know??
Posted 5/1/2016 2:47 AM (GMT 0)
Astragalus will not hurt you to take with antibiotics and I would take that. Slowly, one drop at a time and move up as you can.
Posted 5/1/2016 3:21 AM (GMT 0)
And that is ok to take with chronic lyme?
Posted 5/1/2016 3:28 AM (GMT 0)
yes

I do the tincture because I can slowly take and gradually take more, compared to a pill.
Posted 5/1/2016 3:32 AM (GMT 0)
If you have a reaction please stop taking it. Like hives.
Posted 5/1/2016 4:56 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you for asking, and those answering this question. I live in a heavily wooded area and am bitten repeatedly. Even if they don't get me when I go outside, the bf's dog goes in and out and brings them in when he's here. He combs the dog's short black hair with a flea come, but not every day, and probably misses some.

I can't feel them until I'm bit anymore, and most of the time they get to my back where I can't reach them to pull them out. They fall out of the trees on me.

I'm going to look that tincture up and see if I can order it on line. Thanks again.

ETA: Wow, it's surprisingly cheap! Is there one company or brand that might be better than others, or is it all the same? Soon as I get an answer, I'm going to order it.

Post Edited (julymorning) : 4/30/2016 10:59:50 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/1/2016 5:35 AM (GMT 0)
I'm not really clear on the autoimmune response when using Astragalus when you have chronic Lyme. I know Buhner speaks about it - but is it something you can try and gauge with symptoms?
Posted 5/1/2016 5:55 AM (GMT 0)
julymorning - Buhner does recommend certain brands...

I buy mine from Woodland Essence and sometimes Sage Woman Herbs.
(Two of his recommendations)
Posted 5/1/2016 4:23 PM (GMT 0)
Couldn't find either one on Amazon. I did find the Woodland Essence web page, and it is just as affordable there. They also had Teasle, which was something I'd been hoping to find on my own property. Pay them $10 is much easier than exposing myself to more ticks and having to convert it to a tincture, anyway.

Post Edited (julymorning) : 5/1/2016 10:29:59 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/1/2016 4:40 PM (GMT 0)
Unfortunately they are only sold from their website. But, most of us usually end up taking several different herbs...and the shipping cost doesn't seem so expensive then.
Posted 5/1/2016 5:03 PM (GMT 0)
julymorning there is a company that has organic tinctures on Amazon that I have used, it is HawaiiPharm and I am quite happy with them. It does take a little longer to get than if you used SageWoman.
Posted 5/1/2016 8:30 PM (GMT 0)

PeteZa said...
julymorning there is a company that has organic tinctures on Amazon that I have used, it is HawaiiPharm and I am quite happy with them. It does take a little longer to get than if you used SageWoman.

Thanks for the referral PeteZa, I did notice the HawaiiPharm name when I was looking on Amazon. I'll compare prices. I love Amazon though, I never have to worry about not having recourse if I have a negative purchase issue.
Posted 5/2/2016 3:08 AM (GMT 0)
Buhner says not to take Astragalus with chronic lyme. Anyone know why?
Posted 5/2/2016 3:21 AM (GMT 0)
He says it raises the parts of the immune system that are overactivated in chronic Lyme - creating an autoimmune problem.
Posted 5/2/2016 3:46 AM (GMT 0)
Astragalus is called an adaptogen, meaning it helps protect the body from physical, mental, or emotional stress.

Buhner does not describe what is initial, middle or chronic lyme. There is no length of time to distinguish each category.

I have taken it for literally years prior to lyme for everything as any illness arose. Once I got lyme it became a staple. I did not start taking it until I found out I had lyme at about the 6 month marker, FYI.

If if does not work, stop taking it.

I take it now more as a preventative. I still go outside and just in case I get bit again, it will protect me a tad.
Posted 5/2/2016 6:14 PM (GMT 0)
I got bit in March, and am in treatment for Lyme. I was so distressed at waking with a tick engorged. I truly screamed and woke my husband up.
Did you read Dr Steven Philips articles in the Huffington Post? He states if his patients are bit by a tick, he gives 2 weeks of doxy, I think he said adjusted by weight. So, I think we are ok since we are being treated already. But, my concern was adding in co-infections from the new tick that maybe the current meds wouldn't touch. I've been ok, I did develop more of a stiff neck and shoulder problems recently after being bit, but that has died down.
I plan on doing further testing on co-infections, as I'm not responding to my treatments and not progressing as I should.
Good luck to you.
Posted 5/2/2016 6:37 PM (GMT 0)

Sean.scott256 said...
And that is ok to take with chronic lyme?


Actually, it's not for those with chronic Lyme as it increases the parts of the immune system that attack Lyme, so it could cause a massive herx.

Once a person has been symptom free for 6 months, then Buhner says it can be taken. I've been using it to prevent Lyme reinfection for over a year now.

The concerns about being bitten again have more to do with other strains of Lyme that you could get as well as co-infections. Your symptoms may increase, but should also come back under control fairly quickly (a few weeks?), so if they don't come back under control, it's time to start talking to your doctor about changing up your treatment.


MadaboutLyme said...
Dr Steven Philips articles in the Huffington Post? He states if his patients are bit by a tick, he gives 2 weeks of doxy, I think he said adjusted by weight.

Actually, this is false information. 2 weeks of Doxy won't heal even a new case of Lyme disease and certainly doesn't address any co-infections. The dose is likely too low as well, since he got that part wrong as well.

You can find the correct dosages and treatment times needed here: www.ilads.org/lyme/treatment-guideline.php
Posted 5/2/2016 6:45 PM (GMT 0)
Just saw my LLMD and he was also worried about co-infections. He said as long as I develop no new symptoms in the next several days I should be all set. Fingers crossed
Posted 5/2/2016 6:47 PM (GMT 0)
Traveler since Astragalus attacks lyme shouldn't it be taken? Maybe in really small doses to prevent a big herx? I thought herxes were good because it ment treatment was working.
Posted 5/2/2016 6:55 PM (GMT 0)
Here is what Buhner said:

"Stephen’s response:
If you are not currently sick, you can certainly take astragalus. The reason for not recommending it is that astragalus raises the parts of the immune system that are overactivated in chronic lyme. Those parts of the immune system are highly effective against lyme early on and help prevent or reduce the disease but if they are low to begin with and you are infected the infection can spread more easily. After awhile the immune system does ratchet up those parts to attack the lyme bacteria but by then the spirochete has altered itself and is no longer very affected by them, those parts of the immune system then begin to cause some of the lyme symptoms people have making the disease a kind of autoimmune problem. My book Healing Lyme goes into this in a great amount of detail."

..And here is the link to it:


buhnerhealinglyme.com/herbs/astragalus-contraindicated/
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