lyme-root canal connection? What?

Hi hornet--

I am so sorry about the canals and your symptoms. You're definitely in a tough spot. I'll share my opinion but it's just that--I'm not a dental or lyme specialist.

I know you've spent a LOT of money but there is absolutely nothing more important than your health and I challenge you to think ahead 10 yrs an imagine how healthy you think you'll be if you haven't successfully addressed the root canal issue.

Also, 4 canals gone bad is a pattern. There is simply no way for the tooth or the area to be effectively sterilized, which is the one main fault of root canals--regardless of who you are or who is performing it. There is a high risk of the bacteria getting into the jaw bone, a disease that then destroys all of your teeth. You probably already know all this.

I think you'd be better served by talking with a biological dentist about alternatives to the root canals being redone. I can't speak in detail regarding those options are but I bet there is info out there and better alternatives available than returning to your dentist and paying him more money to basically recreate the issue. Some people will tell you that a root canal is a root canal is a root canal. The more modern methodologies are better, for sure. But the canal is trapping the bacteria, period.

A hundred years ago I temp'd for an oral surgeon who was a friend of the family and witnessed implants being installed (it's a sight that one can never forget...) Cavitations can go deep and anytime you start digging around, the bacteria has a chance to spread. However, if done by a top notch oral surgeon in healthy bone, the implants might be a good option.

This also might be a good resource--a book called Cure Tooth Decay. It is for general dental care and cavitation care and root canal prevention but I think there was some info regarding root canals I'll share:
www.curetoothdecay.com/root_canal.htm

In answer to your questions --
I think you're experiencing worsening symptoms when the cavity is closed up because there is nowhere else for the bacteria to go but further into your tissues. When the filling is removed, there is nothing for your body to react to--either because of the bacteria or because your immune system is reactive to it or to the permanent sealant used.

The tie to lyme is a bit more complicated. I know that the issues that bad canals create are very similar to lyme issues but I wonder if the type of dental bacteria involved are also not similar to the spirochete and that might be the connection, rather than the borrelia preferring detail tissue... I really have no idea but maybe the important point is that the specific abx aside, the holistic approach of lyme & co treatment might also help you recover from your symptoms from these canals (microbial treatment, detoxing, immune support, diet, etc...)

ETA: Here is a mercola article--I like most of his info but not always, so read with an open mind:
articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/18/dangers-of-root-canaled-teeth.aspx

Hope you get some good info here -

-p

I definitely second the biological dentist. Here's a link to search IAOMT member dentists - these are dentists educated in biological dentistry.

/iaomt.org/for-patients/search-for-dentist-physician/

I've heard of ozone being used by these dentists. Hopefully you can locate one that can help you. I personally do not have root canals but I did have impacted wisdom teeth removed that I plan to get checked out. I also have a crowned tooth that often bothers me.

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PS you may want to google oral spirochete and consider this issue

I was a dental assistant eons ago and pulling a tooth is a very drastic measure. Please go to a good dentist and see what the most modern solution is.

Leaving a hole in your jaw (cavitation) is just as bad as a root canal. There are plenty of other options. Many root canals were filled for years with silver points. They don't use those any more. There are better substances (composites) than metals to fill the root canal.

I had a root canal done waaay back in 1989. It has really bothered me off-n-on over the years. It 'acts up', I go the the dentist who says, "It looks fine, gargle w/salt water". I do that but it flares up again and again. I did heavy metals testing, then 8 sessions on I.V. chelation retested but heavy metals were STILL high. I did an ora, Chelation for awhile and am quite sure I need to do I.v chelation again...

However, I suspect that the silver post in my canal is what's causing the irritation; I'm scared to have it pulled. What if it releases a whole ton of bacteria In bloodstream and I have a heart attack? My grandfather died from septecemia from having a Rotten tooth pulled. What will I put in the voided space? A bridge?

Anyhow I've been wanting get to do this for a few years now, but am chicken...

Following up to peteza...if you google Dr. Minkoff or Lifeworks Wellness Center you can view his videos regarding Lyme and dental issues.

hi here is my experience. a couple of months after I was diagnosed with lyme, I went to see a biological dentist after my lyme doctor told me how important it is to have your teeth healthy.

the dentist told me I had 3 abcessed teeth, 2 cavitation, I needed to pull all my root canals. I had already had all mercury fillings removed several years earlier.

I had the 3 infected teeth removed and implants placed. of course I begin to feel better. due to money problems we all can relate, I did not do anything else until I moved to another state and had another lyme stress the importance of getting my teeth all healthy and fixed. I saw another biological dentist is supposed to be one of the best in the country.

he told me I needed to have all root canals pulled. He said he did not see any cavitations. so we began a treatment plan. I had one root canal pulled 6 months ago, and it was infected underneath. I had another abcess had it pulled. I have two more root canals to have pulled over the next 6 months going slow so I can afford it. I had to sell my car to afford the implants.

I can say I do feel a difference and doing much better but I have been getting IV ozone for the last 5 months.

The biological dentist also said I have an allergy to nickel in the crowns I have on the root canals. which is another reason they need to be removed including replacement of my front to crowns which have nickel. if your ears get itchy and red wearing cheap earrings, you have a nickel allergy. they use nickel because it is cheap.

There is also a spirochete shaped bacteria in the mouth called trepnoninm sorry spelling wrong.

I do know it is imperative to get all your root canals pulled, and mercury fillings address cavitation etc. It has killed me having my teeth pulled, but I keep feeling better so I say goodbye to them. I will eventually have implants placed and it is best to use zircon.

mystery1-
Thanks so much for posting--you've been on a very powerful journey and I am so glad you're finding relief, one tooth at a time. ;)

I am so glad oil pulling was mentioned... In fact I'm going to create a new post so we can talk about it specifically...

-p

Good points, magoo.

I think it also matters WHO is doing the work.

I don't think all dentists are trained to do oral surgery but many do it. Kind of like dentists doing orthodontia w/ rudimentary "learned it at a conference" training...

I'd find an oral surgeon to do implant work. Unless insurance is involved, this could double the cost. And I'm not sure if there are "biological" oral surgeons but worth a look...

-p

Mystery1 how long have you been doing ozone? Just curious about how long it take
I an on week seven of ozone sauna and nasal-going to get a couple ozone IVs later this week.

I do know far to many biological dds-Cook-Margolis-Huggins ( before he passed) and a guy named Andys in Switzerland and a couple others. They all would say remove root canals-and yes clean out any infected bone-which may mean more than one procedure and then get rechecked in maybe three months.

My experience is around the end of week two you can notice a difference

Mercola has some good articles-you may want to read. Many- many docs write on this. Some of them are on youtube also

I never had vertigo but know people who cured their vertigo by getting a cavitation cleaned out.
You root canals isn't helping you-they are a source of polymicrobiial infections-keeping a dead tooth in you just makes not sense at all. google the words electron microscope tooth and you can see how pourous a tooth is-makes a nice home for various bugs