Brand new here and terribly upset

Will the euro strains show up on igenex if I order just 188 and 189 or is there anything else I need to order?

JBD--

I hope you're doing better and have figured out net steps. Please check in and let us know how you're faring.

dacarte3 said...
In the books he cites hundreds of research and clinical studies of herbs on both animals and humans. Every herb he backs it's with facts, historical use, and scientific/medical studies. It's NOT just anecdotal evidence by hippie herbalists.

Also as a person of science you are probably already aware that tons of pharmaceuticals were created based on studying plants and then extracting certain compounds from it. Then learning how to synthetically make the compound so they can patent it for money. You can't patent plants, trees, flowers, or natural compounds.

So herbs puts these useful compounds (more effective when it's natural and all the compounds are ingested together instead one being extracted) back into the patients hands. The medical/pharmaceutical industry do not like this because that's less money in their pocket.

Buhner also states that pharmaceuticals should definitely be used in emergency, life threatening situations however treating infections in non-life threatening situations should be done naturally. Naturally because it's safer, can be more effective, and more cost effective.

I agree.

Excellent description, Dacarte3-- and be sure to check out my post about the Lyme Innovation Hackathon--one of the winning teams is doing just that--pursuing testing on "whole plant" antimicrobials, etc.

-p

Krimpet said...
Girlie said: Order some Nutramedix Pinella and Burbur (Amazon or iHerb sells them online)

If you order directly from Nutramedix, it's cheaper because you can get FREEBIES. I didn't know this until I went to their website. If you have neuro-psych symptoms, you may as well buy in bulk. I first bought on Amazon, but figured I'm going to need this for awhile, so now buying from Nutramedix.

Thanks, Krimpet. I didn't know this.

The reason I order from iHerb or Amazon is I usually have other supplements to order...and this way I only pay one shipping cost.

Although, my amazon order came from three different places...so I should re-check and see if I paid three shipping fees...hmmmm got me thinking.

PeteZa said...


Detox is really important and I have not had one doctor mention it to me. My favorite is dry brushing my largest organ, my skin. Easy peasy! Diet - well, I love eating myself to wellness and if I can get it from healthy food I do that, rather than take a pill. I eat as organic as I can afford.

I hope this is helpful and I am so glad you found us.

I know. My LLMD hasn't even mentioned it to me once. And she had lyme for 10 years and was bed ridden and went three years of treatment until she recovered. But yet has not once mentioned detoxing. Detoxing is huge. I remember detoxing for 2 months everyday and only having very mild symptoms and then I got lazy and didn't detox for 3 weeks and then crashed and was out of commission for 3 days. Proof is in the pudding.

I don't know how this isn't stressed by LLMDs.

JDB15 said...
Will the euro strains show up on igenex if I order just 188 and 189 or is there anything else I need to order?

Yes. Co-infection test. In my opinion the stats for co-infection likelihood is very low (inaccurate). I believe there's a better chance one gets co-infections with lyme than not. I mean do we think the rodent or deer that the vector got infected with (which then infected us) only had one bad thing? Not likely.

Just look at the random sampling of lymies on this forum. Very rare that they only have one infection. We all pretty much have multiple.

So yes get tested for co-infections as well. This is extremely important. It's extremely important because though these co-infections aren't a huge problem by themselves (meaning if a non-immunocompromised person got it) and even resolves by themselves, they don't for us lymies. Lyme suppresses the immune system to the point that the co-infections become a relevant and often times significant problem as well.

You could go the "if I treat lyme and recover, my body will then take care of the co-infection" route. There's some truth to that, however if the body is fighting 2-3-4 infections at once and is already weakened the likelihood of full recover is low (to say the least). You have to treat co-infections simultaneously as well.

"geographical" strains ONLY mean where it was first identified and found. Something simply being "first identified" somewhere really tells us nothing. It's nothing more or nothing less. The strain can be anywhere but of course it has to be found for the first time "somewhere".

If I found a new strain in my living room, we can call the "dacarte" strain but it doesn't mean this strain isn't in Asia or Australia somewhere too lol.

dacarte3 said...
"geographical" strains ONLY mean where it was first identified and found. Something simply being "first identified" somewhere really tells us nothing. It's nothing more or nothing less. The strain can be anywhere but of course it has to be found for the first time "somewhere".

If I found a new strain in my living room, we can call the "dacarte" strain but it doesn't mean this strain isn't in Asia or Australia somewhere too lol.

I didn't know that - thanks for that, dacarte.

Girlie said...
If money is tight - I wouldn't do the co-infections testing.


It is even more unreliable than the lyme testing. Co-infections are often diagnosed clinically...by symptoms and how things play out with treatment...Doing a trial of a certain antibiotic and monitoring response is often telling of what co's we have.

If one has the money it's helpful to know for sure (and good for piece of mind). I didn't know I had Ehrlichia and wouldn't have thought of it. My bart was negative but I've experienced some hallmark symptoms of bart so I'm definitely not ruling that out. But I would have never known about Ehrlichia and now that I know I can look into some herbs specifically for it.

And detoxing wise. Yes I am trying everything.
Lemon water. Epsom salts. Vital plan. You name it. I cannot get even an hour of relief from this.

JDB15 said...
Thanks guys for all the help.
Sad to report things are not better. I am feeling positively dreadful. I can barely move. I feel like I am in the middle of the worst flu. Only its lasted two months.

I almost went to the ER. But then I figured there is nothing they would offer. I have tried to expedite referrals to people who know more about this than me.

This is really scary.

Hang in there bud. I really don't think you have been detoxing long enough (what a day or two?). Mind over matter, you can make it.

You know what actually does help? It's not a special herb or rx drug. but advil. I know you may be thinking "advil? I'm dying over here". but it does give me temporary relief when I felt like I was dying. It allowed me just enough to get up and make food before crashing again.

JDB15 said...
And detoxing wise. Yes I am trying everything.
Lemon water. Epsom salts. Vital plan. You name it. I cannot get even an hour of relief from this.

I hope you are detoxing in phases. Too much detoxing too fast can have the opposite affect. And as a MD you probably already know why.

I say give proper and consistent detoxing at least one week. In the meantime we are here for moral support.

Wow Pete thats crazy.
For me it isnt so much the pain. Dont get me wrong I have neuropathic pain. Shooting pains down my arms. Ankles. Everywhere. But its the flu-like symptom that is incapacitating. I dont know how to describe it. Its like the way you feel when your temp is 105 (but my temp is normal). Its just this profound, disgusting feeling malaise.