i am going to water fast for 10 days.

No abhi, you need to eat something every day. I don't know what to say to help you but I do know that you must eat breakfast, lunch and supper. Water isn't enough.

I hope that someone can help you resolve your lung issue. Are you sure that it isn't stress related? I can tell that you are very worried and scared.

abhi - I wouldn't recommend you fast for 10 days. Your body needs nutrients to fight these infections.

Are you detoxing? It's really important that you do - and you need to slowly add in more detoxing until you are doing multiple methods daily.

Abhi,

Please, please, please do not do this. This will result in your body in a more weakened state. We need nutrients to heal. Just eat organic, vegetables, soups, lean proteins. Please don't live on water for ten days.

Hi Abhi.....water fasting could cause you water overdose and/or minerals and electrolyte wash out.
This will bring your electrolytes down including potassium and sodium and it is deadly.

It happened to me years ago when I was training and I was eating full meals!!
Your brain will begin to swell up and you will start to have strange symptoms: headache, than migraine, and being to throwup constantly.
Please, avoid doing that at all costs. This is a near to death experience I can assure you.

Too much water without food (half of a gallon is too much) is very dangerous.


If you fast and you decide to do a "water cleanse"....your intake of water has to be extremely low or close to zero. The fasting alone takes care of detoxing and cleaning....BUT not for such a long period of time. You should do intermittent fasting instead which is something your body is already used to.

abhi, I ditto what the others have said.

I so feel your anxiousness and your want to be rid of this nasty bug. I also cannot imagine having lung problems.

My Mom suffers from fibrotic lung disease so I have seen this up close and personal. She does not have lyme but I cannot imagine how scared you must be.

It is so difficult when you are not getting enough air - you tend to panic. I know.....

My Mom was advised to take NAC for her lungs. Please ask your doctor about that. Vitamin C and ginseng also. But, check with your doctor and always low and slow to see how your body reacts.

Nutrients...vitamins & minerals are a vital part of fighting Lyme.

Strict diet.....It [email protected] super strict..should help.

Lots of water with some bone broths could help too.

I wish well

r

abhi,

I'm a bit of an outsider at his point as my daughter has long ago recovered from her chronic LD with approaches "outside of the box." I'm now an observer that contributes only occasionally. This is one of the occasions when I just can't remain silent.

I want to congratulate you for thinking outside of the box! Should you do a 10 day water fast? Your peers claim to know enough about water fasting and your personal situation to confidently say "NO"! I will say that I don't know, but I want to tell you a few things to consider when making your decision.

I have personally greatly benefited from 22 and 23 day water fasts. It is capable of facillitating the body to make improvements or corrections that no other approach can touch. Since Buhner is respected on this forum, take a look at what he has to say:

http://www.gaianstudies.org/articles4.htm

Buhner doesn't mentioned Lyme Disease in this article, but has suggested caution in other articles when questioned about whether those with LD should consider doing it. I have never seen an instance where he talks about the results for a person with LD who has tried water fasting. I also saw an article in a question and answer in which he said that he wished that he had included the topic of fasting in his book.

People with many different types of long term debilitating illness have been helped or cured of their illness or condition, including LD, heart disease, type 2 diabetes, some cancers, psoriasis, severe acne, etc. etc. It's fact,and has been well documented by physicians and patient testimonies.

Water fasting is one of the most powerful treatment approaches available, but is it appropriate for all? The answer is no. Here is an article that summarizes some of the things to consider:

http://www.allaboutfasting.com/water-fasting.html


Please know that the vast majority of physicians are completely ignorant about the benefits of water fasting,and will rubber stamp a flat NO. In addition the average LLMD also is not qualified or informed about fasting. They are difficult to find, but you must find a fasting-literate physician to monitor you. You may desire to go to a fasting center staffed with MD's that are qualified to consider your situation. TrueNorth Health Center is such a place:

http://www.healthpromoting.com/

The real issue is whether your body is already so debilitated that a water fast would be contraindicated. Our well meaning friends in this thread have shared their opinions, but a good fasting-literate physician would be best qualified to make that determination.

Here is the approach that I would take. First you need to be cleared by a qualified physician. Scientific studies have shown that even a short 3 day water fast yields tremendous benefits. If you find yourself desiring to do a water fast, I would first do a 3-4 day fast. Since you will dump more toxins during this period than you ever have in your life, you will need to assist your body by employing several detoxing methods. You don't want to be dragging all of those toxins through impaired kidneys or liver. If you respond well to the short fast, you may desire to to do a longer fast a month or two later to obtain even more benefits.

Several erroneous statements have been made in this thread. I want to address them individually.

It's not necessarily true that something must be eaten every day. I personally know several sick people that have eaten no food for 40 or more days. Short fasts are often undertaken by even very sick people with great results. That can only be determined by a qualified physician.

I can not find any prohibition of fasting for mycoplasma. Water fasting generally clears infections from lungs. I know this from experience. There is no logical reason why water fasting would exacerbate mycoplasma.

A person that is fasting does not necessarily suffer from lack of nutrition. During fasting nutrition is obtained from fat and nonself and non living structures such as scar tissue, cysts, tumors, plaque, parasites, protozoans, bacteria, and viruses. Your body will digest these things.

A short fast does not necessarily produce dangerous electrolyte levels. Even if you develop low levels it is easy to take electrolytes without interfering with the fast. I monitored my blood pressure and pulse rate. I took electrolytes when my blood pressure and pulse were lower than optimal. This is the easiest thing to manage! If I can manage it, I"m sure that a qualified physician would manage it even better!

Water fasting improves immune function- contrary to what has been suggested in this thread! When a person is fasting and in a resting state, the debilitated immune system is supercharged and "reset".

https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regeneration-of-damaged-old-immune-system/

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/12/11/neuroscientist-shows-what-fasting-does-to-your-brain-why-big-pharma-wont-study-it/


Does it surprise anyone that the best information is often from patient testimony. I have come across a lot of people during the last several years that insisted that water fasting was the approach that cured them from chronic LD. Here are a few that I found right now:

https://www.tylertolman.com/testimonials/ (third patient testimony down)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yen68JQOA4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET8zRbzYsYg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpOlOSczZEc (sound quality is poor,sections are unintelligible, her summary of the entire experience is intelligible at 6:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLfD8dHuO-M

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/protomyxzoa-rheumatica-discussions/general-support/11023980-im-doing-a-water-fast-to-heal-myself


There are plenty of other people that have illnesses such as chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, etc. that have been helped/cured by water fasting as well. We all know that many of these people really have LD. You can research those patient testimonies on your own.


Water fasting definitely is not for everyone, but it is for a lot of people. Abhi- it may be the single best thing that you have ever done for yourself. If I was you, I would contact LD patients that have done it, as well as physicians at fasting centers that would be familiar with LD and fasting. I have long ago learned that the majority is often wrong- even in LD forums!

I am not saying that you are a candidate for a short water fast, but rather that it is certainly worth investigating. I just don't think that a bunch of fasting-illiterate sick people saying NO is adequate when considering the matter. I am disagreeing with a few "veteran" members here that have otherwise helped a lot of people with sound information. Nevertheless if I had heeded the "consensus" opinion when considering the treatment approach that ultimately healed my daughter, she would still be just as sick as everyone else.

In short, the presuppositions expressed in this thread are just plain wrong. Caution? Yes!!!.... Paralysis? No!!!

Hopefully I haven't offended anyone with my strong but civil disagreement.

Don

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thanks for replay but i am on water fast for 3 day .i has no hunger till date only feeling better.i want wait until stomach totally clear of parasites infection.during fast i drink only buttermilk(probiotics) to restore gut.toxin shown in my toung(white coating).i has low b12,vitamin d.i totally conform that in my case is only due to parasites.due to parasites stomach can not absorb trace vitamin.so first thing to fight dieses to recover gut.i think mosquito attract by us and transfer unknown parasites.so please use antimosquito cream at neight.

Well thanks no need to be sorry.

I never saw these posts before, pretty interesting.

You take care and have a good night, Jo

paul b said...
Sorry, forum, for resurrecting another older thread, but I wanted to reply to this one.

First, thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. All the answers were interesting.

I came across a book on fasting that has really awakened me to this subject. The more I think about it, the more I believe that the Lord has placed incredible healing mechanisms right within the body, we only need to tap into them. There is a strong spiritual aspect to my beliefs, which I won't get into here.

In particular, I wanted to thank Don for his very insightful post, with all its great links. I've not yet determined whether I'm going to do this, but having the info is invaluable. If I do do it, I probably will start out with a shorter fast and recovery and see how it goes.

Blessings.

Hi, paul b:

Following is a video I watched a while back and found informative. You may find it interesting, too.

Fasting: An Ancient Practice for Modern Problems
/youtu.be/Nl8Y5jV0hN0

Ideally, fasting more than a few days should be done under medical supervision and in an environment of complete rest. Personally, I believe fasting is something that shouldn't be taken lightly.

Fasting can be very powerful for folks who are generally considered healthy. For those of us who are dealing with a variety of health issues, it should be approached it in a smart and responsible way.

In addition to Dr. Goldhamer (from the above video), you can search YouTube for Michael Klaper, MD. Both Dr. Klaper and Dr. Goldhamer work at TrueNorth Health Center in Santa Rosa, CA.

As you look into fasting, you may discover Jason Fung, MD. I'm not as familiar with Dr. Fung as I am Drs. Goldhamer and Klaper. However, I do know that Dr. Fung is somewhat intertwined with the Paleo and Low-Carb groups. For this reason, I choose to steer clear of him. That's my personal choice.

Recently, there was a Fasting Summit that featured a lot of discussion and approaches to fasting. If you're interested in looking into purchasing it, you can visit fastingsummit.com/sessions.

Finally, for general amusement only, there was the 27-year-old male who weighing 456 pounds and fasted for 382 days under medical supervision and with customized supplementation and lost 275.5 pounds. That was in 1965. /www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396

Whatever you choose, I wish you the best of luck and health.

The Dude

UPDATE: I just realized that I confused the above video by Dr. Goldhamer with a different video by Dr. Klaper. While the video by Dr. Goldhamer is still worth watching, the video I was intending to share from Dr. Klaper was titled Fasting: Safe & Effective Use of an Ancient Healing Therapy. However, since I downloaded it from YouTube in February of this year, it's since disappeared from YouTube.

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I figure it could cause a herx because of spirochete die-off? I'm going to butcher my explanation; but the logic is that your body is using fat-stores and whatever is available for energy. I recall reading somewhere that your body will take priority on the "bad-stuff".

I know this is a layman explanation but its my logic behind why I think it "might" be a herx.

I experiencing moderate herxing on both fasting and fasting mimicking diet(low carb + moderate protein + high fats) one. Healthy people feel nothing while fasting - only brain clarity due to the mild anti infl. properties of ketosis(google keto clarity).

> I recall reading somewhere that your body will take priority on the "bad-stuff".

Yep, fasting upregulates autophagy, but IMHO there is no point to fast more than 1..3 days, even 16..18 hour semi-fasts could be enough.. by fasting more than several days immunity becomes compromised(WBC drop like after chemo and you need loads of proteins to restore them).

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