Why I believe you need to go all out with antbiotics or don't go at all to heal lyme.

Just expressing an opinion and something to be aware of.

If your treating with antibiotics - I believe your going to need an extremely well protocol; which may include the correct, effective, and up to 3, antibiotics, for a very long duration of time.

Either go all out...or don't go at all.

Why?

Because the antibiotics can well shut off your immune system. So your leaving the battle to antibiotics, and mostly to antibiotics alone , rather than a healthy immune system functionality.

So if your shutting your immune system off, then it better be a good antibiotic protocol to get the job done without the support of a regular functioning immune system.Again, the duration, amounts, and effectiveness must be there as well.


So before you start an antibiotic protocol, I think it's important to have a whole set out plan, a doctor who knows extremely well what he is doing, the right amounts, the right vastness, and the right duration all at once to recover using this method. There is no predetermined amount of time you take the antibiotics and then lyme will just be gone. No one can tell you but proabably yourself if the lyme is actually gone.

I personally would be weary of a weak protocol that was only prescribed for a short duration. Lyme is very complex, and it will take a very complex antibiotic protocol to kill; especially when your using antibiotics at the expense of shutting down your immune system. Your handing off the battle to antibiotics alone. So it better be a good protocol. (i sort of repeated myself but i feel it's important.)

Just saying my thoughts in case this helps anyone.

Post Edited (lymedriven) : 11/22/2016 10:15:38 AM (GMT-7)

I came across an article that spoke about this. Wish I could find it! I don't have an LLMD, or a CDC positive lab result, and my diagnosis was clinical - so, anti-biotics weren't an option for me. Only herbs.

Lymedriven,

You are probably correct. My son started treatment second week in November and gets to ramp up but this week is on three antibiotics. He has never taken abx in his life and is already sick from two of them. I asked the LLMD yesterday if he can only do two and they said no. They said his growth is in jeopardy from these infections and they need to hit it hard. I have been sick over this and worry about toxic poisoning. They keep assuring me he will be ok.

I can't take more than one so I'm sticking to herbs. I wish I could do three abx at once and be done with this.

Yang,

I totally agree with you. So hard to get a teen to do herbs. I find all the detoxing impossible. I am exhausted every night repeatedly asking my son to drink this, take that, do the foot bath. And the diet. He is so stubborn. I want it all to be a bad dream.

I'm so happy to hear you already see big changes. Music to my ears. I wish you and your family a Happy Thanksgiving.

dacarte3 said...
I agree lyme driven. But many don't because of the herxing. So they don't go all out and wonder why they can't get better.

Buhner actually says something similar about herbal protocols. People tend to to go low and slow for too long. Or they switch and pulse too often.

He even warns people that if you go hard it's going to be unpleasant. I think term he use was "body rattling". But you have to go hard or go home.

How can I possibly do this AND work full-time? I can barely manage to work while herxing and with some of my symptoms as it is. How can I risk feeling worse for a long period of time? What I hear when anyone says this is "can't work, can't pay rent, lose my apartment, move in with my mom and grandmother, give up my dog, etc etc etc."

Need a wide open ABX (Doxy and others)and a deep seeker (flagyl). General ground troops and special forces with night vision goggles.

One alone wont get lyme.

PMM,

I am so sorry you have to work full time. I bow down to you. You must be very strong AND young! I was supposed to return to work this month but cannot. I am impressed that you can do that

Astroman you are so funny - night troops and vision goggles.

KLW, I'm with you on this one. I think I'll read Jernigan's book this weekend. I'm not familar with the protocol. But now that I know people don't herx - perhaps that is the one.

Feel good everyone. SO fascinating how different everyone is.

This makes sense and prior to all this Lyme stuff I was a big believer in western medicine and dubious of herbs and alternative therapy. I know I'm still considered acute in terms of timing of infection
So I would like to hit it hard but these herx really scare me. It's so disheartening to feel worse after you've felt better - although logically I know it's probably a herx in the moment I have a hard time differentiating a herx from worsening/backsliding of lyme and the feeling that I've somehow made it worse. Plus reading about his a herx csnkillme scares the crud out of me. I'm curious how others psychologically work thru a herx? How do you know when it's too much?

pmm73 said...

dacarte3 said...
I agree lyme driven. But many don't because of the herxing. So they don't go all out and wonder why they can't get better.

Buhner actually says something similar about herbal protocols. People tend to to go low and slow for too long. Or they switch and pulse too often.

He even warns people that if you go hard it's going to be unpleasant. I think term he use was "body rattling". But you have to go hard or go home.

How can I possibly do this AND work full-time? I can barely manage to work while herxing and with some of my symptoms as it is. How can I risk feeling worse for a long period of time? What I hear when anyone says this is "can't work, can't pay rent, lose my apartment, move in with my mom and grandmother, give up my dog, etc etc etc."

It doesn't mean you have to start 'all-out' - you can start with one antibiotic....few weeks later, add a second one...etc.
Even starting at half dose for several days is fine...
You want to get to the point where you are taking more than one antibiotic at a time.

Huddie, it is a great book! The first section is really confusing though and I was skeptical at first, you have to keep an open mind. The second section is a lot easier for my Lyme brain to process and it makes a lot of sense to me, medically speaking. I've connected a lot of dots so far reading this book and have had a lot of "ah hah!" moments.

pmm73 said...
This is an issue I struggle with almost daily. My LLMD believes in single abx therapy. First month, I was on Ceftin, then off all abx for almost a month, then put on Cefdinir (generic Omnicef) for a month which I just finished. I do have issues with my LLMD and have thought about seeking a second opinion - mostly because this does not seem like the correct protocol to be on with chronic Lyme (according to what others are on). But I have seen some improvements. I do worry, though, that because this is not aggressive, that I will take longer to heal and/or allow the disease to do more damage in the long run. It's all so confusing.

I see.

I think more than one may be necessary. This is my intuition and the fact that a youtuber named LYMSTER had recovered using 3 different antibiotics for a very long time of 44 months duration.

I have not used antibiotics myself...but believe that it may work. but one should know you have to go all the way through with them. Because taking antibiotics means giving up the immune systems in the sake of antibiotics(this is due to the fact that antibiotics can shut down your immune system).

^^ also the reason i am sticking with herbs. with herbs its similar....you must continue for a very long time...and take the right stuff as well.

lymedriven said...
I have not used antibiotics myself...but believe that it may work. but one should know you have to go all the way through with them. Because taking antibiotics means giving up the immune systems in the sake of antibiotics(this is due to the fact that antibiotics can shut down your immune system

That's why Dr. J. goes with the 'drug holiday's as he calls them...so that your immune system starts to fight again...then when you finally go off them for good, your immune system isn't totally suppressed.

Girlie said...

pmm73 said...
This is an issue I struggle with almost daily. My LLMD believes in single abx therapy. First month, I was on Ceftin, then off all abx for almost a month, then put on Cefdinir (generic Omnicef) for a month which I just finished. I do have issues with my LLMD and have thought about seeking a second opinion - mostly because this does not seem like the correct protocol to be on with chronic Lyme (according to what others are on). But I have seen some improvements. I do worry, though, that because this is not aggressive, that I will take longer to heal and/or allow the disease to do more damage in the long run. It's all so confusing.

It's well-known that more than one antibiotic is needed to treat these infections.

Are you doing an herbal approach alongside?

I think you are wise to seek a second opinion.

To those who use multiple ABS along with or without herbs, MY question is how on Earth do you get your prescriptions? Doctors I see here in Southern California do ONE 28 day course of antibiotics and kiss me goodbye FOREVER, door closed, don't call us, we'll call YOU....Wish I could get more ABX since it seems I will NEVER get better so considering stopping ALL treatment so my wife can stop wasting $500-$800 per month on useless Herbs. IF the herbs are not ever going to beat this alone.