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Posted 11/22/2016 9:04 PM (GMT 0)
Well I just switched from 3 months of Sage Tinctures to Hawaii Pharm Tinctures. Now for the past 3 months I have possibly done tinctures all wrong IF so, might explain the complete lack of any positive response from over a hundred pills and all these tinctures per day. Due to the insane number of pills I also have to take daily, I always mixed all my tinctures into a tall glass full of 12-16 ounces of tap water.

I know it says to just use 3 or 4 ounces but as I said, I added more to help swallow so many pills. Is this a big error in some way? Can this cause the tinctures to not be as effective, or not at ALL effective?

I ask since these from Hawaii Pharm seem to taste VERY-VERY weak or mild like watered down booze in comparison to Sage brand. And I sort of expected it to taste stronger since Hawaii Pharm is made 3:1 alcohol whereas Sage is only 1:5 mix.

So this is my big tech question of the day since I now added back in Eleuthero since when dropping it I just can't stay awake the past 6 weeks since. And I also added in Red Root for the first time into the pot so have these 2 PLUS my good old
- Japanese Knotweed
- Cats Claw
- Houttuynia
- Andrographis

And I take it all mixed together in a single glass. Is my taking it this way, incorrect and does it weaken it's efficacy?
Posted 11/22/2016 9:16 PM (GMT 0)
No, you can take them all at once in a single glass of water..


I don't know about the Hawaii Pharm tinctures and strength.


If you didn't like Sage - have you thought about Woodland Essence? (another of Buhner's recommended sources)

i'm not saying Hawaii Pharm isn't a good source...just that I don't know...and that's why I stick to what Buhner recommends.

Hopefully someone with more herbal potency knowledge will be able to help with this.
If it tastes weak - I'm wondering if there is less alcohol?
Posted 11/22/2016 9:38 PM (GMT 0)

lucynethel (OR Just Mike) said...
Well I just switched from 3 months of Sage Tinctures to Hawaii Pharm Tinctures. Now for the past 3 months I have possibly done tinctures all wrong IF so, might explain the complete lack of any positive response from over a hundred pills and all these tinctures per day. Due to the insane numberof pills I also have to take daily, I always mixed all my tinctures into a tall glass full of 12-16 ounces of tap water.

I know it says to just use 3 or 4 ounces but as I said, I added more to help swallow so many pills. Is this a big error in some way? Can this cause the tinctures to not be as effective, or not at ALL effective?

I ask since these from Hawaii Pharm seem to taste VERY-VERY weak or mild like watered down booze in comparison to Sage brand. And I sort of expected it to taste stronger since Hawaii Pharm is made 3:1 alcohol whereas Sage is only 5:1 mix.

So this is my big tech question of the day since I now added back in Eleuthero since when dropping it I just can't stay awake the past 6 weeks since. And I also added in Red Root for the first time into the pot so have these 2 PLUS my good old
- Japanese Knotweed
- Cats Claw
- Houttuynia
- Andrographis

And I take it all mixed together in a single glass. Is my taking it this way, incorrect and does it weaken it's efficacy?

Aer you sure you're printing the Sagewoman ratio's correctly? I just picked up my bottle of JK from them, to see what it said, and it is listed as 1:5 ratio, which is one part herb to 5 parts alcohol.

Logic tells me that the amount of water you put it in makes no difference, since it's an inert ingredient.

As for combining everything, unless there are recommendations to any of them to be taken under certain directions, such as timing it away from one of the others, dumping them in together is ok too. I do my puny little counts of Milk Thistle and JK in a ounce of something at the same time, and chug it back.


Another thought. I'm sure the reputable herb and tincture sources are as careful as they can be about testing herb strengths before converting, based on their own sources of herb, but without centralized testing labs in place, each 'mfg' is going to have stronger or weaker herbs to start with, depending again, on their source and other factors.

Post Edited (julymorning) : 11/22/2016 2:46:39 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 11/22/2016 10:06 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you. Yeah I corrected the sage number. I had the 1:5 reversed to the incorrect 5:1:-)

Maybe I am just getting used to this God awful stuff? OR, I am sure there is a difference in the way things taste etc. When I place the eyedropper under my tongue it has the exact same BITE and taste. Just when I add it all to water it seems weaker and is missing that super strong booze jolt Sage Brand gave me. I know Traveler used Hawaii Pharm extensively which is why I gave them a try. That and the price when placing large orders. They REALLY discount plus free shipping etc. That AND when I spoke to them we hit it off REALLY well since of course they all surf like the wife and myself and are very familiar with all our surf spots etc. When the order arrived they then sent a VERY nice color postcard with a very touching/nice letter (regarding my USMC Service etc).

Hope it works better than my NO results (that I am aware of anyway?) from Sage the past 3 months. I will use any & all brands and started to switch to Woodland, at least for a trial but on THREE occasions now I had to wait weeks for any answer to my inquiries and that just turned me off. Bigtime.....They always apologized but that did nothing to get me the herbs I needed NOW. Too bad as they seem nice.I really don't want to do business with shops who are unable to provide me a reliable flow of medication that is uninterrupted.
Posted 11/22/2016 10:08 PM (GMT 0)
How are you doing Mike?
Posted 11/22/2016 10:51 PM (GMT 0)
I remember Joey on Friends TV Comedy slinking up to girls and say, "So how YOU doin".

Doin OK, same as always. I really wish I had the plague, or would get cured or even just a little better, ANYTHING but this rut called misery. But maybe the addition of my Red Root may do something. ANYTHING :-) Have a little 4 ounce bottle of Sida Acuta too I am considering adding. I waited because I swear I am supposed to take it with something in addition for the synergistic bit but can't remember WHAT I need to combine! Think maybe I will just use it up before it goes bad. Had 2 big 8 ounce bottles of sage with all manner of garbage at the bottom yesterday when cleaning out all my stuff. Maybe let it sit too long at 3 months? Too expensive to toss darn it.

These soaking sweats even in a cold room is the most infuriating I think? Guess they will never quit...
Posted 11/22/2016 10:55 PM (GMT 0)
Listening and caring - looks like you got your question. Just adding, I've read in Buhner's books, mixing herbs are fine - they are synergistic.
Posted 11/23/2016 12:19 AM (GMT 0)
I think it was me that told you I did Hawaii Pharm and I loved them. Maybe Traveler did too, I can't remember.

Anyway, I did it. I put all may herbs in a glass, added about an ounce of water and chugged it. Then I put about another ounce of water in the glass and chugged that. That last bit was to clean out the glass really good.

I did a slew of herbs in this manner. The only herbs I did separate and outside of that glass was the Beyond Balance herbs I did. They are made with glycerine, so I did those both separately and alone.

I don't know why. Just did it that way.

Remember when you are taking herbs, you are the doctor and the patient. You feel and you direct. And, I don't think there is a bad or wrong way. We all do it different and we all were directed by someone else, somewhere along the line......

And then we all customize our protocols so they are made to fit.

Glad you like Hawaii Pharm. I dislike ranting about a company, especially a new one that Buhner has not explored for us personally. He has stepped back to retire and is not giving much advice, only his proteges are. So, maybe he would recommend Hawaii Pharm if it had of been around when he was writing.
Posted 11/23/2016 12:57 AM (GMT 0)

PeteZa said...
Glad you like Hawaii Pharm. I dislike ranting about a company, especially a new one that Buhner has not explored for us personally. He has stepped back to retire and is not giving much advice, only his proteges are. So, maybe he would recommend Hawaii Pharm if it had of been around when he was writing.


Were you referring to what I said, PeteZa?

Just to clarify...as I don't want anyone to think that I was ranting. I really don't know anything about Hawaii Pharm's quality. I'm not saying they they're poor quality....

.....because there are so many sources online to purchase from - I personally had never heard of any of these companies pre-lyme - I decided I would stay with the ones listed in Buhner's book.
That's just me...
Posted 11/23/2016 1:02 AM (GMT 0)
Not at all Girlie. I was saying I don't like to rant about companys to others because that puts me on the hook in case they have a bad experience.

You totally misunderstood me. I probably could have said it better, eh?

I definitely like Hawaii Pharm and used them for months. Great company in my book and organic and here I am ranting.... LOL
Posted 11/23/2016 1:08 AM (GMT 0)
Or just Mike,

How long have you been taking the same combination of herbs? Maybe you are in need of adding and subtracting? Perhaps try the dried forms of the herbs you wish to take in a tea form.
That is so cool that you and your wife surf! I've been all over the world and miss it sooo much! May the wind be at your back!
Posted 11/23/2016 1:22 AM (GMT 0)
Can I rant? Just kidding. Trav told me she loved Hawaii Pharm as well PeteZa. And Roots, yep the wife still has her 8'6" longboard by Infinity, I sold out all mine. Wish I hadn't now that the $400.00 boards are wort $1200.00 plus the way I built mine...But I am prone now and with all the Titanium in me from neck to tailbone, I am done. But that didn't stop the wife and I taking Kayaks out into 22 foot waves at Hanalei Bay:-) And I did that in the midst of a Malaria attack. Guess I just love misery? Surfing literally was my life.I only joined the Police Department so I could surf days.
Anyway, now I simply am out of the water unless some miracle happens in my life? I can always hope, always dream.
Posted 11/23/2016 2:49 AM (GMT 0)
PS- I plan on buying 4-8 ounces of CSA Tincture as well to add to this mix. Just need a bit more money since we tallied up over $780.00 in just the past 60 days. And sad as this is for me, I am shopping for "Active" wheelchairs but my right shoulder has wounds not surgically repairable and my left is weak from my Mastectomy. EVERY single time I say that word, Mastectomy, as a Man, it still creeps me out.....Anyway, my wife Trish is telling me there is NO way I have enough left to push myself along in one, no matter how much "heart" I have remaining. I sort of try to explain to her, I would rather spend $2500 PLUS for a nice ACTIVE-Lightweight style chair even if I just sit in fron of my home in it a couple hours a day and wave to neighbors, to give the IMAGE of who there is INSIDE of me. A man who accepts my limitations but will NEVER surrender and say I am "done".... And I admit to her, I know she is right but My spirit is just not ready to surrender quite yet when I already have a hot rod electric 4 way Mobility Scooter, high end that does 8MPH and in the past 3 years it has been over 2 years since I used it and now it need over $400.00 in batteries etc. I have my own ideas and just won't quit I suppose?

ANYWAY- adding CSA to the mix-next check!
Posted 11/23/2016 2:53 AM (GMT 0)
Mike,

I laughed at "How you doing?" - always think of Joey when I hear that.

You can rant and you can hope. We are all hoping for miracles. They may just arrive.

I like Hawaiian pharm - haven't started the Sida I got from them but they are so incredibly nice. Above and beyond with customer service. I also really like Herb Pharm. Hope they are a good brand. I like Montana but they really need to get better with shipping they take so long.

Glad you are on tinctures and have restocked the healing cabinet.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and Trish.
Posted 11/23/2016 3:00 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks. You should see the gizmo I bought and converted to a pill cabinet for my 1000 pills per week chest! BRILLIANT if I do say so:-) Trish stocked it for me since I spun myself out figuring the dosages. Come Monday morning I wake up to my "BIG BOX of a full 7 day supply all laid out and ready to go. Oh the thrill of swallowing 1K of pill each & every week.... (barf)
Posted 11/23/2016 3:53 AM (GMT 0)
My first pill box was too small and so I bought another. It was so lame taking pills from 2 pill boxes, so I bought the super deluxe model for super sick people - I swear my pill box is 2" all the way around per day of the week.

Mike, you do know that CSA is 3 herbs in one, right??? It is a mixture of cryptolepis, sida acuta & alchornea. Be very careful. If you are allergic to any one of those, it could be a process to try and figure out which one, okay?

Super low and slow buddy.
Posted 11/23/2016 4:01 AM (GMT 0)
Thank goodness so far I'm taking tinctures. I've been using a 2 week one. I had a bunch of these things but they've been holding rabbit tattoo digits for years now, and I don't have the heart to re-purpose them.

My home health care agency brought me an outfit that is set up for meds 4Xday. I needed it back when I was on abx and taking an assortment of things that had to be taken at odd times.
It will come in handy again, eventually, I suspect.
Posted 11/23/2016 4:04 AM (GMT 0)
July, what are rabbit tattoo digits?
Posted 11/23/2016 4:11 AM (GMT 0)

PeteZa said...
My first pill box was too small and so I bought another. It was so lame taking pills from 2 pill boxes, so I bought the super deluxe model for super sick people - I swear my pill box is 2" all the way around per day of the week.

Mike, you do know that CSA is 3 herbs in one, right??? It is a mixture of cryptolepis, sida acuta & alchornea. Be very careful. If you are allergic to any one of those, it could be a process to try and figure out which one, okay?

Super low and slow buddy.


Yep and the Sida Acuta I have didn't hurt me. Old enough to remember a 1950's TV series called "Danger is my business"! That be ME:-)
Posted 11/23/2016 4:19 AM (GMT 0)
Mike,

I had to laugh at the "How you doin'" My hubby and I say that to each other a lot! Haha!

You may already know this but the CSA has the sida in it. The crypto an alchornia that are in there are the two herbs that synergize with the sida.

I started the sida by itself and did get results for the tingling with it. I have recently added the other two herbs so we will see how it goes!

It could be that different herb companies work differently with different people. I just purchased the WE in a few different herbs and have found that I like the Sage better. But I know many do well with the WE.

Best of healing to you!!! And Happy Thanksgiving.
Posted 11/23/2016 12:45 PM (GMT 0)
Another post that is cracking me up.

What the heck are rabbit tatoo digits? I'm visualizing a tiny box stocked with teeny-tiny tattoos that go on the paws of bunnies.

What is CSA?

I learn so much on here and it's still morning.
Posted 11/23/2016 1:58 PM (GMT 0)
Well if ya die laughin, ya die happy right:-)

It is primarily from Woodland Essence (hard to find elsewhere):

C.S.A. FORMULA
(Cryptolepis, Sida and Alchornea)

WHO'S Yer Daddy!
Posted 11/23/2016 2:27 PM (GMT 0)
Mike,

You continue to crack me up. You are such an inspiration to be going through so much and ALWAYS retain your humor. We all love that about you.

Hope today is a good day.

Happy holidays to you and Trish.
Posted 11/23/2016 4:49 PM (GMT 0)
You too Huddie. And to everyone else as well. Watching TCM and a Marx Brothers movie helps right now too. Laughter is all I have left now so may as well use it.
Posted 11/23/2016 4:57 PM (GMT 0)
Mike, tinctures will last up to 3 YEARS - but only if they are kept appropriately - in a dark, cool place. Herbs, when packaged properly will last up to a full year.

I have not use Hawaii Pharm extensively, but I have used it for avena sativa when my oats were not ready to be harvested yet - bought two bottles of it from them. It was of good quality and I've heard from PeteZa and others that they have good quality products.
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