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Posted 12/15/2016 5:37 PM (GMT 0)
I got a bullseye rash at the site of the bite and contrary to what the CDC and the "others" say...it has been incredibly ITCHY from the start. Even while on the ABX (21 days of 100mg Doxy twice a day - ended this past Tuesday) - it would randomly start to get "crazy itchy". Now that I am off the ABX, this morning it got redder and itchier than ever before and still has a bite/scar/scab/mark in the center. The center mark now seems to have small, red, rays emerging into the clearing part (the clear skin area, in between bite mark and red band). I truly feel like the site is filled with a poisonous venom that I wished they had cultured, or even cleaned and sterilized at the ER.

Has anyone had this experience and shouldn't it be concerning that the bite site is still reactive after 23 days? At the time I wondered if I got other tick borne illnesses, but they were entirely unreceptive to my concerns - kind of to the point of rolling their eyes at me for even asking.
Posted 12/15/2016 7:09 PM (GMT 0)
You should continue to treat. 21 days of abx is usually not enough.
Try to find a LLMD.
In the meantime, it would be good to be on a herbal protocol. Buhner has a good one.
Posted 12/15/2016 7:40 PM (GMT 0)
dismissed - you need to get more treatment.

From ILADS (Dr. Burrascano) guidelines:

"EARLY LOCALIZED - Single erythema migrans with no constitutional symptoms:
1) Adults: oral therapy- must continue until symptom and sign free for at least one month,
with a 6 week minimum.

EARLY DISSEMINATED: Milder symptoms present for less than one year and not complicated by immune deficiency or prior steroid treatment:
1) Adults: oral therapy until no active disease for 4 to 8 weeks (4-6 months typical)"


www.lymenet.org/BurrGuide200810.pdf


If all you had was the rash - then it's a 6 week minimum.

But, you had other symptoms, right?

Then you need to treat until symptom free PLUS 4-8 weeks.

As Blueberry Muffin mentioned - maybe get on an herbal protocol...right away.
Posted 12/15/2016 7:46 PM (GMT 0)
I don't believe the site is filled with poisonous venom. What you are experiencing is your body's histamine reaction.
Posted 12/15/2016 8:37 PM (GMT 0)
I had the same kind of bullseye rash you are talking about. Mine itched like crazy and was hot to the touch. I did two rounds of the Doxycycline that did absolutely nothing. I was bit August 2015 and here I sit now still fighting this horrible disease and all that it brings.

Two points of advice. Be sure to take a picture of your rash! Find a Lyme Literate Medical Doctor (LLMD) as soon as possible. Easier to pay now when hopefully it is easier to get over than to wait several months like I did.

Good Luck!
Posted 12/15/2016 8:41 PM (GMT 0)
Dismissed already has taken photos. I and one other Moderator have seen them and confirmed.
Posted 12/15/2016 8:46 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks - All. I DID take many pictures of it in all of its stages. I've gotta find a way to continue treating this. I can't get Dr.s to prescribe more ABX due to negative Quest lab Western Blot. It infuriates me. I will try to get some $ to purchase herbs, but I'm not sure where from. I will try to get in with a LLMD - that someone told me about this morning in an email.
Posted 12/15/2016 9:38 PM (GMT 0)
I'm glad you have an option for a LLMD.

Sources for herbs (these are some of the ones Buhner recommends)

- Green Dragon Botanicals
- Woodland Essence
- Sage Woman Herbs
- 1st Chinese Herbs

You can purchase Buhner's books...if you can't afford that..then take a look at his website:

buhnerhealinglyme.com
Posted 12/15/2016 10:41 PM (GMT 0)
Bad news. I called the doctor that came highly recommended, and he does not take insurance. I was already disabled (on SSDI) before this tick encounter and do not have the resources to see a doctor. I guess all LLMDs would be in the same position sad since LD doesn't exist and all....
Posted 12/16/2016 12:21 AM (GMT 0)
The least expensive route I have found it to consult with a Buhner herbalist. It will be a few months. $200 for the initial consult. You'll have to pay around $600 out of pocket for an LLMD.

There are a few of us here on this boards that figured it out without an LLMD, so it can be done, but you have to do your own research, ask a lot of questions. I think PeteZa was one of them?

The best investment I made was Buhner's books.

I'd recommend starting with Cats Claw and Japanese Knotweed. I'd start with herbs that are already packaged in capsules, and then buy them bulk and make your own tinctures - much cheaper.

I just buy my cats claw at the health food store.

For Japanese Knotweed, I order the source Buhner recommends.
greendragonbotanicals.com/products/medicines/japanese-knotweed.html

There is something called Chronic Tonic, that would be around $150 investment in herbs, this looks super easy to do and I'd suggest this as an option as well.

I'll track down the forum link for you.
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3244272

Here are some notes I discovered from a Buhner conference if you can't afford the book right now...your library may have a copy!
www.betterhealthguy.com/images/stories/PDF/BUHNER%20CONF%20NOTES.pdf

Post Edited (multifacetedme) : 12/15/2016 5:24:58 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/16/2016 12:33 AM (GMT 0)
There are lots of options of treatment and different ones work differently for different people. Read some stuff on here. But I agree more treatment is needed.
My personal recommendation would be the Jernigan protocol:
Look at the Hansa Center Website and get a bottle of Borellogen and a bottle of neuro-antitox, and take both three times a day, for nine months.
Posted 12/16/2016 12:37 AM (GMT 0)
I am also muddling through without an LLMD because of being on SSI, which is at least a third less than SSDI.

The consult alone for the LLMD in this State is $500 cash or credit card. I can't do that.


I have to shop around for my herbs, and order the smaller amounts in tincture form. That way I can control starting low dosage and build up as the days go by. Try to target one area that bothers you the most, and also get something for liver support.

I am the poster girl for trying to heal on a shoestring. I don't know how well I succeed, being infected so long, but I feel better already as long as I can keep stress out of the picture. At least I had 6 months of abx in the beginning.
Posted 12/16/2016 1:06 AM (GMT 0)
I will try to get some of these herbs at some point asap. I guess I will use one of my TWO retest prescriptions for the inept Quest Diagnostic lab - tomorrow. Then, the other script is to be used "on or around 12/27/16". My SSDI (from my work history of 42 jobs on books) actually came out to only ten dollars more per month, than the maximum SSI payment per month - so I do hear ya julymorning!

Right now I am feeling like I got punched pretty much everywhere or like my whole body is one enlarged lymph node. Then there are the burning, tingling, feet and hands...so many bad sensations at once, too many to even type at the moment. I will be in touch when I make my next move. Hope everyone else feels better..in some way, shape, or form, very soon. Goodnight all.
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