Naturals vs. Antivirals for Viruses--Let's do a pill

We've definitely talked about EBV, HHV6 and other viruses on this forum. But I don't know if we've ever polled what people have been using/uses and it's success. I'm really curious.

I am positive for both of the above and I really need to figure out what I'm going to do next.

History-

March 2016- Tested off the chart high for EBV in March 2016.
May-June 2016- Ozone therapy, Meyers cocktails, HOCATT for 5 weeks in Fl- retested EBV and though still high, it was coming down and I felt better
July -began monolaurin; was feeling better but seemed to be allergic (got to 3,225 mg)
August- November began Takuna (did 2 bottles)
September-November- l lysine
October/November- 1 LDI for EBV, 1 booster (not sure my doctor #2 did this right)
December- EBV is off the chart again and I feel it

So not really sure what to do next. Try lomatium, larrea tridentata, LDI again, prescription antiviral.....

I have a doctor appointment with doctor #1 tomorrow and I guess I'll see what he suggests. But wanted to hear from you guys.

At my last appointment, my doctor wanted my VITAMIN A and D levels up. My D at the last appointment was 35, now it's 98. My Vitamin A was low 30's now mid 40's.

Did your doctor give you supplements or tell you to get some to help your vitamin A or vitamin D levels?


For the EBV viruses, I've had seemingly good success with Lysine, although as I say, I don't have a doctor running tests regularly to know for sure, so I"m only going on how I feel and evidence of any breakouts.

Oh good! Was just wondering since your levels are kind of low still. Glad to know!

I too just started a more aggressive antiviral protocol due to high EBV, HHV6, and others. I had added Takuna several months ago on top of my bart mix of Buhner herbals and pharma ABX of Bactrim/Ceftin pulse, with L-Arginine, GSE, Japanese Knotweed, Cat's Claw, and Houttuynia.

I just added L-Lysine, Astragalus and Lomatium. My UHC Obomacare plan would not cover a script for Valtrex which I had taken before, but they would approve Famciclovir (Famvir), which I started a few week ago. I also got more regular with taking Colloidal Silver and upped my dose.

Too soon to tell if any of this is working. I'll retest the Virals in February. Except for extreme fatigue I don't have the usual sx associated with EBV, HHV6, Cocksackie and CMV.

k07 said...
I did Famvir for 5 months but unfortunately my NP did not want to retest my values so I don't know on paper if it was successful. Fatigue was a bit better on it and my lymph node went down some. I also started to get colds while on it. I've only been off a month...

My lymph nodes are very swollen. Did you have to check your liver enzymes while on it?

I would gladly love to contribute, unfortunately, none of my doctors are willing to test my viral loads. Frustrating to say the least.

Krimpet... so far so good with Lomatium and no rash. Interesting comment on the brain issues. I have seen some brain fog improvements recently.

Also Valtrex and Famvir works a little differently for each individual. Google Valtrex vs Famvir... a little to deep reading for me.

Somebody said...
I used Acyclovir and it helped me.

Same here. I was on it for about 5-6 months. I feel loads better! I haven't been retested yet, but we'll see if my LLND wants it tested again when I see her next week.

I also found it interesting when I saw her last, in Oct, I had finished the Acyclovir in Aug. In 2015, when I started seeing her, she had me go through Igenex first and since then, she's always retested with LabCorp (probably since my ins covers it) when I see her. My band 58 was always positive, but the one in Oct was negative for the first time. I'm curious if next time it will be as well or if it's just them. I've seen 58 listed as a heat shock protein and curious if it might be somehow linked to viruses (EBV, etc)?

Good luck with your appt!

OptimisTick said...

Somebody said...
I used Acyclovir and it helped me.

Same here. I was on it for about 5-6 months. I feel loads better! I haven't been retested yet, but we'll see if my LLND wants it tested again when I see her next week.

I also found it interesting when I saw her last, in Oct, I had finished the Acyclovir in Aug. In 2015, when I started seeing her, she had me go through Igenex first and since then, she's always retested with LabCorp (probably since my ins covers it) when I see her. My band 58 was always positive, but the one in Oct was negative for the first time. I'm curious if next time it will be as well or if it's just them. I've seen 58 listed as a heat shock protein and curious if it might be somehow linked to viruses (EBV, etc)?

Good luck with your appt!

Thanks much! You guys are really giving me something to think about. I know when my EBV values were coming down I felt a little better, but now that they've run ramped again.

Interesting about band 58. When my initial numbers were off the chart high, I tested positive for that one through quest. However when I did ozone and the numbers were coming down, it didn't show on the Igenex test. This is very interesting. I never would have thought of that though my doctor said that he has had patients who test positive for that and 41 and it's been viral related.

Krimpet 🍔 said...

sam12 said...
Do LLMDs prescribe anti virals? Mine dismissed my viruses(high EBV, CMV) as did my ID specialist.
Being on anti virals for so long, is it ok for liver and such?

Yes any doctor actually can prescribe an anti viral.

I know some women who stated that their doctors dismissed their EBV results and they went to their gyn who wrote the script. I don't know if you are a woman, but that was just an example.

I would absolutely not let your doctor dismiss your high EBV or CMV loads. These viruses can wreak absolutely heck in your system, including keeping your immune system suppressed.

I know that for some of these antiviral, they are supposed to do liver function tests. There are some people who stay on these medicines for years. I would think that one would be working on their immmu e system and fixing whatever else so that once the antiviral s lower the load, the immune system would/could keep it suppressed or perhaps moving to a maintenance herb remedy.

I think Pirouette did a beyond balance viral herb once she got her levels down.

Yeah I am thinking of trying a new LLMD. This one does not seem so interested in anything other than handing me prescriptions of antibiotics. Hmm I guess that makes sense, it kind of helps out the immune system that way.

I had crushing, crushing fatigue and tons of body/muscle pain. I could barely get up a flight of stairs without huffing and puffing and my leg muscles would burn horribly. Taking a shower would make me dizzy,shaky, and wiped out for the day. I would even have to lie down immediately after getting out. Any and every activity (cooking, laundry, cleaning, etc) would cause even more exhaustion that I could never recover from. Every morning when I got out of bed, as soon as I started walking, it felt like I was walking on Lego pieces.

When I started the acyclovir, within 3 days the foot pain went away. After that it was very slow. about 3 or 4 months in, I noticed one day that I had taken a shower AND drove to the store to pick up eggs! Every few weeks I would have improvements like that. "Hey, I did 3 things today!"

I'm no longer on it and so far, not taking anything else. I just wish I could get rid of my joint pain...still working on that

Oh, also edited to add, when I first started on the acyclovir, I got a terrrrrible rash on my back. It spread to my arms and then to my chest. It lasted a little longer than a month. It looked like flea bites and it itched like nobodies business (it so reminded me of chicken pox as a kid.) I tried every anti-itch cream, lotion, etc. I would scratch in my sleep and end up bleeding The only thing that helped somewhat was something someone here mentioned when I did a search. It was Pine Tar soap. It really does smell like a campfire, lol, but was helpful

Ok. So had my appointment with other doc last evening. It's funny how these docs don't see everything the same way. Main topics of discussion EBV, HHV6. Initially he stated that he wanted me to do more for my adrenals so he suggested a couple of things there.

As far as the virals....he told me of his experience using lysine. What he said was that lysine should always be countered with arginine, otherwise you run the risk of circulation and blood flow issues (e.g. dizziness). I couldn't believe it...that's what I had experienced and it got very bad. Not balancing the two. If you take collagen or even bone broth with active EBV or any other viruses that like l-arginine, the balance has to be precise or you run the risk of making things worse. He actually broke out in shingles. So lesson learned. So with the lysine, he recommends a Thorne Perfusia SR. It is l-arginine slow release.

He also recommended lomatium, but to go slow and definitely have detox in place to possibly avoid the dreaded rash.

And lastly, he recommended Valacyclovir 1 gram take 1 twice daily for 7 days, then 1 daily for viral suppression with a quantity of 90. Initially he stated that he didn't think I needed it at this time, but I guess he slept on it.

Problem is he is out of state so he can't write me a script unless I see him in person at least once. Doubt highly that I will be able to talk my local doc into it.