My Dental Cavitation Adventure

Hi All,
Well it's been I guess a month since I posted about my cavitation journey. I had surgery on the right side first. I had both wisdom tooth extraction sites cleared. They were just holes filled with old blood and gunk, no bone. Then I had tooth areas 3&4(upper)worked on. These were past root canal extraction sites. It was full of infected and dead bone. Still waiting on the pathology/histology/DNA to come back from all the sites.

It was a pretty painful and stress-filled procedure as the anesthetic kept wearing off after 10 min for some reason. Then we couldn't get the pain under control. I then developped apthous ulcers(canker sore-like viral infection at all the surgical sites.) The doctor says from the stress. Those have finally healed but I am still in a great deal of pain and eating baby food and soup. In fact I will go back in tomorrow to see the doctor even though his office is closed for the holidays. :/

I am supposed to have my left side done in Feb. Just wanted to keep you posted in case anyone else is considering this. We are all different and heal differently. I don't do well with medical procedures in general probably because of the Lyme. I ALWAYS end up with a complication. Maybe that's with most Lymies? But I was hoping this would help. Hopefully!! I know it's too soon to tell but so far the process has been pretty rocky. And I know too that there is a possibility I will have to have the bone cleared out again.

But my doctor is great!! And super understanding. I am so grateful for
that!! I will continue to give updates. Praying you are all doing ok!

Hi Magoo2,
Thanks for your kind words! And the food tips. I really do love Dr. M. Yes, he did the Cavitat. It found the 4 wisdom tooth extraction sites and 3&4.

So I saw him today and I actually have developed an infection. He was surprised, especially since the bout with the viral ulcers a few weeks ago. So now I'm on ABX and he will recheck in a week, possibly having to redo the surgeries. Out of curiosity, did you do herbal or pharmaceutical antibiotics when you had your surgery(ies)? I opted for the herbal, which maybe was a big mistake. Did you have any complications?

He did a visual inspection of the sites. Also my pain is about a 9.5, and my cheek and and jaw started swelling again. Twice the size than the days after surgery. He doesn't know if it's superficial or now into the bone again. I guess that's why he would need to go back in.
Yeah whatever was in there was nasty.
I think I released the Kraken, lol. ;)
What is ozone sauna? I've heard of IV's and injections.
I'm still holding out for hope and anxious to see the pathology report!
Thanks for your encouragement.

So how many dentist missed this kraken of an infection?

2 general dentist, plus an er dentist and a team of maxofacial specialist at a University Hospital all missed the infection!-even though you were in pain, ***!. That happens to thousands of patients who live a fraction of the life they should because these dds simply don't try! What the F did they think was causing the pain?
If Dr M took picture I would send it to the ones that missed it.

This is a great example of why I bring up dental all the time-we cannt heal from lyme-fatigue-ibs-or cancer with a big festering infection in jaw. Besides being a greae place for every known bug-bacteria-fungal-dental spirochete to live an infection also will completely wear down your immune system so it cannot fight other issues.

Hang in there-its usually took my a couple of weeks to know if it would help or if I needed more surgery-two months to know how much it helped! Hang in there

Post Edited (magoo2) : 12/31/2016 8:12:17 PM (GMT-7)

floridadude23 said...
I have read this thread with great interest. I can't believe the cavitation procedure [and/or removing root canals/amalgams] isn't a sticky on every single lyme forum page. These dental infections and/or mercury filling toxicity are obviously the root cause, the triggers for chronic pathogenic illness.

I don't know if you can say it is the root cause in all cases.

I am questioning my amalgams now that I am treating and not at full healing yet...could it be what's holding me back? possibly, yes.

But, I know a few people who have healed from their tick-borne disease(s) without removing their amalgams (I don't know if they had root canals...they may have, but I never asked).
So, in their case, the amalgams weren't the 'root' cause - the infection(s) were.

floridadude23 said...

Girlie said...

floridadude23 said...
I have read this thread with great interest. I can't believe the cavitation procedure [and/or removing root canals/amalgams] isn't a sticky on every single lyme forum page. These dental infections and/or mercury filling toxicity are obviously the root cause, the triggers for chronic pathogenic illness.

I don't know if you can say it is the root cause in all cases.

I am questioning my amalgams now that I am treating and not at full healing yet...could it be what's holding me back? possibly, yes.

But, I know a few people who have healed from their tick-borne disease(s) without removing their amalgams (I don't know if they had root canals...they may have, but I never asked).
So, in their case, the amalgams weren't the 'root' cause - the infection(s) were.

Toxicities/immune stressors are always the root cause. This is why most lyme patients are not 9 years old, but age 25+, usually on the older side, and usually with a lifetime of toxicities from vaccinations/heavy metals from fillings/cavitations/root canals etc. A healthy immune system will keep the body free of pathogenic overgrowth.

I challenge you or any scientist on earth to present me with one human being who has chronic lyme [or any other chronic pathogenic infection], who has never had flu shots, vaccinations, or toxic dental work done. I'll even accept one case with no dental work alone. And barring a major physical trauma like a car accident or gunshot injury, though a healthy body should repair those injuries. Find me just one and it would disprove what I'm saying, but I don't think its possible to find me even one.

This obsession with chasing pathogens is insane. I'm sorry I'm not trying to come off as rude/arrogant. I know people mean well and it took me a while to get out of this paradigm, I wasted 2 years on it. Germs do not cause disease- a weak immune system does. We live with microbes. We have trillions on our skin and in our gut. We were probably all exposed to lyme as kids from a bug bite, but didnt fall sick until later in life...why?? Join the FB groups for amalgams or cavitations, lyme often becomes a forgotten footnote once the mercury toxicity is addressed or the cavitations are fixed. And I would bet my life that in your case and many others', your symptoms/lyme overgrowth is from your mercury toxicity from the fillings.

Because all human beings with chronic lyme have had either one or more: flu shots, vaccinations, toxic dental work does not mean they are the root cause. That doesn't prove cause and effect.
I do believe infected with more than one germ i.e.: lyme, bartonella, babesia...etc. can cause immune suppression to make healing difficult.

i am not saying that other things don't factor in...of course they do...but I'm not ready to believe the root cause is amalgams and/or cavitations. I know people who have healed with those issues not addressed. And those are just the ones that I asked about those issues. Does it add to the burden...yes...is it THE issue...I'm not sure.
Is it my problem? Could be...

PS- clearly something is being missed with this chronic lyme journey-read this thread and see how many dds miss infections. Why isn't this the missing piece?
Or maybe-just maybe TL s story is unique-I wonder............

Julymorning yes I believe this is the only solution. You must restore the body to its natural, non-toxic/stressed state. Amalgams/root canals/cavitations cause toxicity and stress on the body by overloading it with pathogens/toxic mercury.

I have been in many lyme groups. I'm sorry to say it but I've read of nearly no cases where long term patients made a full recovery, and only a few cases where recovery was 50-80%.How many years of herbs/abx until one decides to look elsewhere for answers?

The people who fix their dental issues [see above] are the ones whose symptoms sometime disappear within HOURS, if not months [if they are very sick]. Many cases of 50%+ symptom relief in days, weeks, or a couple months, or total cures within weeks if not that sick to begin with [like me]. Read the stories yourself on the fb groups, blogs, and forums. There are no guarantees of course but yes I think that restoring the body to its natural state makes total sense for how to become healthy again...

Girlie, the devil is in the details..

if they were sick for a few weeks, that's not chronic lyme. If you're saying you knew of people who got well after years of it, and they had dental infections, I don't believe that. Maybe they got 80% better and to them that felt "cured"...because they had been sick for so long. But are you telling me that someone can have zero symptoms, as if they were perfectly healthy, with dental infections? Sorry, I don't believe that.

Again, you are stuck, as I was, in the paradigm that pathogens cause disease [they dont, immune issues do], pathogens are all that matter and that attacking them with herbs/abx is the answer for a chronic lyme case, and I disagree with that. Agree to disagree! Go to the mercury fb group and see how many people have lyme symptoms/positive lyme tests, or how many were cured of that when the mercury came out.

I think we can at least agree that looking into dental infections and fixing them is worth a shot!

JM-pretty much yes. When it comes to healing chronic issues you should start in the jaw and start with a holistic dds. Its by far the strongest medicine-by far! For people who want to start healing in 2017 I would see a holistic dds. The checkup isn't expensive but getting the work done is and often it need to be done more than once. But healing is worth it.

Read this thread- was TL going to heal with a major festering infection inches from brain? Remember how many dds missed TLs infection-its above on this thread. Which is why you need a holistic dds.

Ive not known a chronic lyme or cancer patient without jaw issues-not saying there aren't any. I would be very surprised if there were lots.

Its 2017-time to heal

magoo2 said...
JM-pretty much yes. When it comes to healing chronic issues you should start in the jaw and start with a holistic dds. Its by far the strongest medicine-by far! For people who want to start healing in 2017 I would see a holistic dds. The checkup isn't expensive but getting the work done is and often it need to be done more than once. But healing is worth it.

Read this thread- was TL going to heal with a major festering infection inches from brain? Remember how many dds missed TLs infection-its above on this thread. Which is why you need a holistic dds.

Ive not known a chronic lyme or cancer patient without jaw issues-not saying there aren't any. I would be very surprised if there were lots.

Its 2017-time to heal

Well, it's impossible. So it is also for so many others that don't even have a home of there own and are on disability. In essence, we're screwed without the assets to pay for that kind of treatment.

Oh, and I did read the entire thread. Twice, and some parts 3 times, just to make sure I understood.

Interesting, Traveler.

I never get cavities anymore...can't remember the last time I had one.
And, my gums are stable as well...healthy pink, no bleeding or tenderness. They have been for many years, too.

Magoo: "Ive not known a chronic lyme or cancer patient without jaw issues-not saying there aren't any. I would be very surprised if there were lots. "

So, how do you explain all the people who have healed that have never been to a biological dentist to even find out if there is a hidden infection that their 'regular' dentist hasn't found?