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Posted 1/13/2017 7:00 PM (GMT 0)
the whole idea of the herx is confusing to me. I get that supposedly it is the die off causing an increase in symptoms before it gets better and that some believe it indicates the medicine is working.

Treating at the hansa center I did not really herx, and got better form most of my symptoms.
right now I am still dealing with air hunger/heavy chest from babesia.
It has gotten better in the 5 weeks I have been on a new hansa protocol, but I decided to try to add in Buhner's CSA yesterday to see if I could have even more improvement.
And so I took a small amount yesterday and a small amount this morning, in addition to my regular protocol.
And weirdly, my air hunger is worse today.
It makes me unsure of if I should continue it or stop it. I don't want to do anything that will make my air hunger worse, obviously! But I have been reading how a lot of people have gotten rid of air hunger with this formula.
What do you guys think?
Posted 1/13/2017 7:14 PM (GMT 0)
Herxing is the increase in symptom severity or new symptoms due to die off. We have to try to figure out if we caused die off or not though.

Since you took CSA yesterday for the first time, it's fairly safe to assume you are herxing and need to increase your detoxing.

My understanding is that Hansa is really quite good at getting the body to detox pretty well, so that would make sense that you had very little herxing while there.
Posted 1/13/2017 7:16 PM (GMT 0)
I took such a small amount-maybe 10 drops yesterday and 10 today;andI have already been on a babs and curcumin and other things for 5 weeks so it just seems odd to me! It may not be connected. But it may be.
I really am hopping that in addition to my other protocol that the CSA can finally get rid of the air hunger/tight chest/
Posted 1/13/2017 7:19 PM (GMT 0)
Take activated charcoal. It works great when you have a big herx. Just make sure to take it 2 hours after or before other things.
Posted 1/13/2017 7:22 PM (GMT 0)
10 drops is a large dose to start with - remember, there are 3 different herbs in that combination. Unless you are doing everything that Hansa did to help your body detox, this is the most likely cause.

Some have to start out with only 1 drop and still herx. Unless you have any other changes that you can attribute this to, it's likely pretty safe to assume it's a herx from starting the CSA and if you increase your detoxing, you might not have any more issues. Definitely worth a try.
Posted 1/13/2017 7:56 PM (GMT 0)
I agree with Traveler - 10 drops to start is not a small amount.

Sounds like a herx to me, as well.
Posted 1/13/2017 8:31 PM (GMT 0)
sounds like a herx to me too...
Posted 1/13/2017 10:03 PM (GMT 0)
I also did this dumb energy healing thing, which I think is actually a bunch of bull now that I have done it! I believe in energy healing but I paid too much money for this person to do a skype session with me with supposed energy healing- I don't know why I did it, I guess it seemed like a good idea at the time.
And so I did that plus those small am'ts of buhner added to my regular protocol yesterday- and today I feel worse than I have in a long time! so bummed! I wish I had let it be yesterday when I was feeling decent and not added the new thing or done the energy healing!
I am still hopeful about the CSA though, and I have an email into my hansa dr to ask him if he thinks I should add it. I hope he says yes because I am feeling drawn to it. Just feel crappy with my breathing today more so than I have been in a while.
Posted 1/13/2017 11:01 PM (GMT 0)
What is CSA?
Posted 1/13/2017 11:14 PM (GMT 0)
CSA is a tincture with three herbs - Cryptoplepis, Sida Acuta, Alchornea Cordifolia.

This used to be part of Buhner's Babesia protocol.

He now recommends Bidens Pilosa .... not AC in his latest book on treating Babesia.
Posted 1/13/2017 11:23 PM (GMT 0)
10 drops is a large dose, not a small amount, to start with.

my llmd started me on all my herbals at 5 drops in 4 oz water, increasing by 1 drop a day, and I had to back off a couple of them and slow the increase because of herxing
Posted 1/14/2017 4:06 AM (GMT 0)
After treating K for bartonella for 2 years with antibiotics and getting improvement to only 80% our LLMD gave up treating. So off I went on my own.

Buhner's full bart protocol (at 1/4 dosage) held her there for 8 months, but then on Buhner's associate's recommendation we trialled CSA.

The babesia herx was almost instantaneous. I remember coming back to the forum wondering which infection caused air hunger, chest pressure, sighing, dry cough, thigh pain....

Silly me, K had had babesia/protozoa of some sort the whole time and that was why she couldn't reach remission of symptoms.

CSA will cause air hunger if you have BLO. Decrease your dosage to 1/4 of what you are taking now and remain there for a couple of weeks before you try increasing dosage again.
Posted 1/14/2017 11:43 PM (GMT 0)
rowingmom
thanks! I was hoping to ask you some questions- I think you got your daughter rid of babesia form CSA right?

What is BLO?

I didn't take any CSA today. I was feeling pretty good today but then I ate dinner and had a few sips of wine- I never drink alcohol, but I am on a min vacation, was feeling decent, am at a hotel, and thought a few sips of wine would be okay. sad
Well my chest got really tight form it, such a bummer

I am not sure if Ishould try the CSA this weekend while I am at the hotel or wait till I get home in a couple of days. Should I definitely expect it will increase my air hunger - and if so for how long? but then will it take away the horrid air hunger/tight chest,and if so in how long?
Since I don't really have a dosage yet- I guess I tried the ten dorpsthe other day or so,should I just start with like 4 drops twice a day? until I feel better? or how do I decide when to increase it?
should I start it now while I am at a hotel n a mini vacay or wait till I get home?

How long,rowingmom, did it take for your daughters' air hunger and tight chest to go away from CSA? It is the worst feeling ever!!!!
Posted 1/15/2017 12:06 AM (GMT 0)
Katebirch - I don't know when rowingmom will be back to post.

But, wanted to tell you that BLO is Bartonella Like organism
Posted 1/15/2017 12:34 AM (GMT 0)
thanks. Ugh I am so bummed to be back in this situation where I feel bad again, after a whole year of feeling great!!
Okay so I took 3 drops of CSA today..
Should I take 3 drops twice a day tomorrow or literally 3 drops once a day for a while?

Any others here who have gotten rid of air hunger tight chest form CSA?
Posted 1/15/2017 12:45 AM (GMT 0)
I would stay on 3 drops total.

Maybe in a few days add 1 or 2 drops for a second dose....

then after a few more days, add 1 or 2 drops for a third dose.

That's how I would do it...3X daily low dose.
Posted 2/11/2017 3:56 AM (GMT 0)
I think I've tried everything out there. I have taken CSA in the past off an on for 2 years at high dosages full bulb 3x a day. currently on cripto, teasel, alicin and artemesea by zhang and flagyl along with supps, green drinks etc. has helped 20% which is better than suffocating 24/7. After 2 years of parasite cleansing and getting my guts straight which were a MESS from the Lyme. I feel the meds can perform better. I wasn't and still am not fully absorbing nutrients. I also use castor oil packs to move my intestines as they have been damaged by Lyme. It's like a backed up sewer system, not good.
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