Started A-Bart...SEVERE Herx

I took 1 drop of a-bart on Saturday and Sunday and by Tuesday I could barely get out of bed. I had one of the most severe herxes in my life (sweating like I had the flu, feelings of knives going into my jaw, near-fainting spells, severe depression) I was en-route to the ER twice and couldn't even think about work. I am finally coming out of it but now I'm horrified! It seems, based on my reaction, it is pretty clear I have bart? Does that make sense?

For over a year I've told my doctors this has been my concern given my sxs ( shin and foot pain, jaw pain etc.) but I haven't been adequately treated for it. I once tried zith but couldn't tolerate it for more than a week. Other than that I was on mino for 2 months and now bicillin. I am so frustrated! I'm reading you need at least 2 types of abx to treat for a minimum of 6 months?

To make matters worse, I started going to a new Center/doctor a month ago and this past week when I called my doc complaining of my sxs and brushed me aside and told me after 6 minutes on the phone she needs to start charging !! I was shocked she made a comment like this! I made an appointment with the founder of the Center to discuss my treatment plan for Monday ( frustrated because I just paid for a f/u appointment with the other doc a week ago) and I don't want to keep shoveling out money! Do I complain of the other docs behavior!? What kind of antibiotics do I advocate for or do I try to stick out the a-bart? Can a-bart alone kick this?

A-bart is ByronWhite Formulas.

- only practitioners can order them (unless that has changed?)

Darling ..some doc will drop clients that complain of pricing for those that dont ...be careful being cheap and this disease is not ...

byron white is strong mojo ..its a handful of herbs at a 90 to 1 ..cowden is maybe a 4 to 1 .
that being said my doc wanted me to do 20 drops 2 x day ..i jumped in head first mind you i have been treating with bee venom and houttynia(fresh ) and and rife ...bartonella is the the nastiest ,little proteobactium ever ..

my twitching is improved nerves are working some ...less axiety less bone pain ..but its in my marrow and veins ..its so nasty ...
i drank a bottle of a bart pretty quik at 90 a bottle ...also gunna try sida now and doing zith and rifampin but next is zhangs houttynia hh from hepa pro ..50 a bottle ..
re finance get a loan ...christie took 320k and 4.5 years to get better

Justin and Christa. They are a Canadian couple from my Province. She had lyme...and he video'd her journey.


I'm also wondering how they spent 320 K. - unless they're including her lost wages...

That's like 70,00 per year - can't see how that much is spent? Unless she paid for IV antibiotics out of pocket? I can't remember if she did IV abx for a long period of time?

I am glad your herx is settling down. Yes, Byron White formulas are very potent.

I have been on A-bart for 4 years and still have die-off when i increase them by 1 drop despite not having a lot of symptoms day to day anymore. You might want to drop down to 1/2 a drop which many people start with.

Put one drop in a glass of water and stir. Drink half the glass and keep the rest in the refrigerator for your next dose.

Also might want to stay at the same dose for a little while.

Huddie said...
Oh I have heard of them. Young couple and she was in bible school or something.

Perhaps she went to Hansa or something. I feel for those who have to pay out of pocket. It's crazy.

I was told my Spect was a certain amount (very high even by Manhattan standards). LLMD changed code and it instantly became a $20 copay. Radiologist told me that Lyme isn't covered.

I think maybe they met in New Zealand - and yes, Christa was in Bible School.

No, she didn't go to Hansa. She did go across the border to see a LLMD there...and once had him flown to her the she was really in rough shape.
But, still...not sure how it could cost that much....even if appointments were once every month or two.

It must be IV antibiotics that was so expensive.

Darling, with your reaction to the Byron White, have you had gene mutation testing done yet? What all are you doing for detoxing?

When I started treatment for Bartonella (with different herbs), it really knocked me for a loop too. I was only 3 months into my Lyme treatment, and my doc got so concerned she wanted me to stop the herbs and go to the ER. But I knew that the ER wouldn't be able to help me any more than my working more on my detoxing. It was that herx that lead me to do all that I do to detox now - and to continue to find thing that would help my body detox even better.

When you find something that works really well, do try to see if you can find a way to lower the dose down enough so you can tolerate it. I would encourage you to try what Sunny posted: "Put one drop in a glass of water and stir. Drink half the glass and keep the rest in the refrigerator for your next dose." Or even go a step further (once the herx settles down) and only take 1/3rd or 1/4th of the dose if needed.

I would actually encourage you to start on heavy detoxing. With a reaction that strong, you will likely find that anything you use will create a pretty good herx. This only means that your body isn't removing toxins well, so you need to help it more. Many of us don't really do all the detoxing we "need" to do - me included.

gene mutations, mold exposure and multiple tick-borne infections can all prevent us from detoxing well, but we must be able to get those toxins out of our bodies. I have not had any of the gene mutation testing done, although I do seem to have the same kind of issues as those that do - so I figured it was best for me to assume that I did and work to get my body to detox much better.

It took a lot of diet changes as things with my body changed,
I used a foot soak daily,
dry skin brushing,
making sure my bowels moved at least once a day (sorry if it's TMI!)
pushing myself to drink at least 64 ounces of lemon water each and every day,
liver/gall bladder flushes (all natural),
oil pulling with tea tree oil,
taking activated charcoal
Alpha lipoic acid,
Quercetin,
turmeric,
(and I know I'm missing other things I do! LOL!)​
and keeping the amount of stress in my life at a bare minimum.

You can find some really good detoxing suggestions in the "New to Lyme?" thread that sits at the top of the forum. And this is another really good resource for detoxing ideas for Lyme patients:
www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html


But, you should also know that there is such a thing as over detoxing. This happens when we move more toxins than our body is capable of processing out effectively. Many toxins are stored in our tissues, and by detoxing, we move them to the bloodstream where we can process them out of our bodies through the lymph system, then on to the liver and kidneys as so on. We have to be sure to add in more detoxing routines slowly and carefully, or we will end up herxing just like we had never been detoxing. This article helps to explain that some: www.tiredoflyme.com/4-reasons-why-you-still-feel-bad-despite-detoxing.html