Does Bartonella have a life cycle?

Yes, bart does, and it's shorter life-cycle than lyme. Unfortunately I can't remember how long exactly but when I read about it, I realized maybe that's why my flares aren't every 3-4 weeks - mine are weekly...always have been...more like twice a week.

So, I thought I read it was about 4 days??? Hopefully someone with knowledge will chime in.

I thought 3- 4 days was Babesia?

I have bart flares about once a week or so, and they've been lessening in severity so I'd say it's about a week. I'm not sure of babesia's life cycle but I know it is treated for at least 4 months because that is the life cycle of the red blood cell, which babesia infects.

I have bart flares every 6 days. Like bleeding clockwork at the mo. The herbal treatment makes them more intense. Foot and shin pain increase but the bottom drops out of my world psychologically.

Fun. Not ;)

Yes, I have read that Bart reproduces every 22-24 hours. I think Brucella is the same? That's why earlier in my illness I would get the daily mid-afternoon flare in my symptoms where I would feel flu-like (face would feel hot, more tired, more pain, etc.).

But, I have the weekly flare as well, and could never figure out what was/is causing that because Babs cycle is 4-7 days. So, for it to be precisely every 7 seven days for me, I thought it had to be something other than Babs. But, I do know of another poster (on Lymenet) who had precise 7 day flares on the weekends AFTER STARTING treatment for (asymptomatic) Babesia.

Lymie Girl, can you cite where you got the 7 day cycle for Bart? My 7 day flares don't seem to fit the typical babs symptoms so I would be interested in seeing that.

Hello, I am, new to your sight but learned of it from a friend have read your ,new to Lyme." Yes, Bart cycles every 24 hours. I have Bart and Babes co's.

TOOTY,

I have read a number of places that Bart flares about every 5-7 days. I believe this stems from the info on Bartonella Quintana (aka "Trench Fever").

"The fever of trench fever is classically a 5-day fever ("quintan fever"). The onset of symptoms is sudden with high fever, severe headache, back pain and leg pain and a fleeting rash...Relapses are common."

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=8096

"[O]nset is sudden, with fever, weakness, dizziness, headache (with pain behind the eyes), conjunctival injection, and severe back and leg pains. Fever may reach 40.5° C and persist for 5 to 6 days. In about half the cases, fever recurs 1 to 8 times at 5- to 6-day intervals."

http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/infectious-diseases/gram-negative-bacilli/trench-fever

"The disease has an acute onset, with severe headache and pretibial pain. The acute signs usually resolve spontaneously, but in some patients they may recur after about 5 days. In some patients there may be six or more recurrences of the disease (59)."

http://cvi.asm.org/content/9/1/8.full

Henselae, Quintana, Bacilliformis ect have different symptoms. I would think that various strains flare at different intervals. So, it would make sense that different people report different intervals. I was trying to find different cycles for each, but it was not easy to find this info.

I need to take another look at the different symptoms. I have some cycles I'm struggling to figure out myself. I wonder about Brucella, but I don't see a lot of discussion. I wish testing were better. It would make everything so much easier! Bam, I have X, Y and Z. It would be so nice. :)

Lymie Girl,

Thank you for the references. You are so right about testing. I wish it was accurate, too!

Bart questions answered?

bart streaks can be as varied as people ;o) i forgot about this thread LOL but good info.

I didn't know that about babs! But it makes sense! I get a bad migraine that morphs and lingers many days. Then one or two days of no headache. Then back on again. And somewhere in the mix my aches and pains pick up steam or the nerve stuff. Interesting...

njfillet said...
Wow, a lot of insightful info in this thread...at least for me. I think Bart is causing a lot of my symptoms and these short cycles have been notable, some 24 hours, some 5-6 days...one thing I get every few days is the weird red streaks around my mid-section. They don't look like the typical "bart rash" that I see the most pictures of online...they are usually single red marks that appear in various places but most prominently on my low-back in really strange patterns. So I may have one streak on my right side low back, and another squiggly line on my stomach, usually just off center of the belly button. The other day I actually had a long streak that made a 90 degree angle on one side of my back, and a straight line on the other side. I sometimes see a barely visible area of smaller but more dense lines but it's hard to see what they actually look like.

from the pix I have seen online, Babs red dots look more like blood blisters.... Bart is more like red freckles, if not the typical scratch rash.

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