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Posted 3/19/2017 3:20 AM (GMT 0)
Anyone on this? Does it help? How has the herxing been? What does it help? Any side effects? Diarrhea? Please share the good, bad, and ugly. I am about to start and I am VERY sensitive to everything! Thanks!
Posted 3/19/2017 3:28 AM (GMT 0)
If you are sensitive, start slow. I loved it and it was a significant part of my protocol. On a few occasions when I wanted to be brave, I used half a pipe or a full pipe--I don't remember exactly and it gave me a lot of pain on some areas that were torn during a car accident. I repeated the experiment a few more times, a few days apart and same thing happened.

I suspect Bartonella or something else hid in these injured tissues and it took high doses to hit it. I detoxed and was fine, not at all uncomfortable, and a valuable lesson for sure. Barto didn't give me trouble since then. But I wasn't at my worst point, it was towards the end of my treatment, so please be careful.
Posted 3/19/2017 3:42 AM (GMT 0)
I did the tincture. I was up to full dosages on my lyme protocol and wanted to hit the Bartonella, if I had it. I think I got up to 1 dropper full. I did not notice anything. Maybe I did not have Bart??? Maybe I am not very sensitive to that herb.

You will probably get a lot of different effects from a lot of different people.

You will only know what to expect when you try it yourself. We are all so very different.

Just go low dosage and raise it up slowly. Detox and eat healthy.
Posted 3/19/2017 6:44 AM (GMT 0)

PeteZa said...
I did the tincture. I was up to full dosages on my lyme protocol and wanted to hit the Bartonella, if I had it. I think I got up to 1 dropper full. I did not notice anything. Maybe I did not have Bart???

i still dont think people herx from bart, probably if it affects your eyes bad you can have side effects when taking houttuynia, or some other more sensitive organ, but otherwise i don't know ... in my case i did have some side effects. But you know ... lyme cycles so u dont always know whats the disease and whats a herx, there are very few things that really you can put your finger and call it A HA!

I wouldn't get houttuynia alone, bart is very hard to treat and one herb does not do enough damage, it also developers resistance more easily than lyme. I would also buy CSA tincture, which you can find more easily than the herbs alone, and besides cryptolepis which is good for lyme and babesia, u get Sida and Alchornea with it, both are very good for Bart. Anyway for me it is easier to get CSA than the herbs separately, im from Europe and Sida and Alchornea are pretty hard to get here.

Also Hawthorn is good to add too. That is something i can get in Europe at 1/10 the price of the same herb in US smile
Posted 3/19/2017 6:46 AM (GMT 0)
I first tried adding Houtt to my daily herbal protocol last June, started with 1 drop per day and got up to 4 drops twice a day and was fine so foolishly decided I would be ok and increased the dosage within a day to more than double that amount and gosh it hit me like a brick. I was so sick and had to go back on abx. Tried it once more a couple of months later and even with 1 drop felt bad again. I detoxed even more and since taking the Buhner herbs for the past 10 months I am now able to tolerate houtt and up to almost a full dropper 4 times a day.

Am also back in full time work !!! Have seen huge improvements with Buhner herbs and particularly since bringing in the Bart herbs.

Please do start ever so slowly and don't try and rush things. Had I not I might have got to this stage sooner instead of being impatient and in the end making myself quite sick again.
Posted 3/19/2017 6:49 AM (GMT 0)
Yes mpost those are good herbs and I also take alchornea, sida acuta, cryptolepis, rhodiola rosea and propolis daily as well as the JK, both types of cats claw, EGCG and Eleuthero.

Have to be back in work to be able to afford all the supplements !! There are more as well as above as I am sure is the same for all or most of us.
Posted 3/19/2017 7:32 AM (GMT 0)
herbs that kill it are : houttuynia, sida, alchornea, isatis.

The rest are support. Yes i took a lot of Rhodiola too and it was excellent for heart symptoms. EGCG i get from my green tea, may God bless that herb...

Also lots of saunas help, bart is very sensitive to heat, more than lyme and all these darn things tend to migrate toward the skin, because their are vector transmitted (i mean it does make sense), so they have to make sure the bacteria load in the tissues next to the skin is high, so the first lice or tick that comes and bites you gets infected. So for this surface infection saunas are very helpful, but i think u need to sit there for 30mins or so if u can.
Posted 3/19/2017 7:34 AM (GMT 0)
if someone knows a good isatis source in Europe, i will be very grateful. Was not able to find one. The rest are more or less manageable...
Posted 3/19/2017 7:42 AM (GMT 0)
I can recommend Bristol Botanicals in UK, www.bristolbotanicals.co.uk. I order all my herbs from them.
Posted 3/19/2017 7:53 AM (GMT 0)
Whereabouts in Europe are you mpost ??
Posted 3/19/2017 8:10 AM (GMT 0)
God bless u for that link Suzee, they ship all over Europe. i kinda travel a lot because of my job, but they ship everywhere. THANK YOU !!

And yes indeed they have almost all herbs, although some are really expensive (Alchornea for example), nevertheless... bookmarked smile
Posted 3/19/2017 8:12 AM (GMT 0)
I can recommend Bristol Botanicals too.
Lots can be ordered from them and they are good to work with.
Posted 3/19/2017 8:35 AM (GMT 0)
Hey you're welcome mpost, I can highly recommend them, absolutely excellent and very prompt delivery and response to questions from the herbalist himself. Yes the Alchornea, Propolis and a few are really expensive but I am just glad they have them available.
Posted 3/19/2017 2:32 PM (GMT 0)

mpost said...
i still dont think people herx from bart, probably if it affects your eyes bad you can have side effects when taking houttuynia, or some other more sensitive organ, but otherwise i don't know ... in my case i did have some side effects. But you know ... lyme cycles so u dont always know whats the disease and whats a herx, there are very few things that really you can put your finger and call it A HA!

While I do agree that the researchers are saying that a person doesn't actually 'herx' with Bartonella - I doubt they have ever lived through one. Technically it may not be a herx, but I've now treated it twice (starting my 3rd time now), and I've had the symptoms of herxing every stinking time - bad enough to set me on my rear end! So, whatever it is that is actually going on, it's a perfect mimic of a herx for me. Many others have experienced this as well, so I know it's not just me this time. LOL!


Houttuynia is a very strong herb for some - so I too would suggest that you start with the tincture, and start with one drop. Just one drop has had many people 'herxing', but if you don't herx on that one drop, you can move up quickly to the 2nd drop, and then the 3rd drop and so on. By starting slow though, you will be in a much better situation to slow or hold steady on a dose should you start experiencing an increase in symptoms.
Posted 3/19/2017 5:13 PM (GMT 0)
I know I herx from treating my bart. I'm slowing peeling back the layers. I have gotten rid of the horrible anxiety but my soles still burn from time to time.

Simela1, what did you mean by using half a pipe? Do you smoke it or is it a term I'm just not familiar with. I use a powder in my smoothie along with teasel and sida acute. I haven't heard of the other ones mentioned but am going research them.
Posted 3/19/2017 5:22 PM (GMT 0)
I know Buhner says in his Bartonella book that people don't herx on treatment...but suggests it's killing other bacteria that could be causing the herx.


I know a few LLND's and LLMD's who say you do herx with Bartonella treatment.

It sure feels like a herx!
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