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Posted 3/25/2017 6:46 PM (GMT 0)
Having some stomach and other issues and considering going to urgent care or ER but wanted to first check in here to see if anyone has had a similar experience...

Note: I'm currently on Rocephin and Mepron

A few days ago I started having a minor pain in my stomach. I had eaten some relatively spicy food the night before so thought that it may just be that. The next day (yesterday) the pain became a bit more intense (about a 5 out of 10 so not too bad) and I started to pay a bit more attention to it because of the gallbladder issues that can come with Rocephin. By last night, the pain had increased a bit and was coupled with indigestion (excessive burping and gas which I don't often have) and mild nausea although my appetite was still fully intact. At one point I went to the bathroom and had a bowel movement. I felt better for about the first 5 minutes afterward but then a very extreme fatigue/malaise/weakness came over me. This felt like the same fatigue/malaise/weakness I get when I am herxing. I was so tired that I couldn't help but fall asleep and when I woke up an hour later, I felt much better. I slept through the night just fine.

This morning I woke up and had the same indigestion/stomach pain/nausea and herx-like feeling. Although I had some nausea my appetite was just fine and I ate a full breakfast. One other symptom that seems to have come on today is that my skin is itchy/burning in a migrating way all over my body.

The pain I feel in my stomach is not terribly severe (6 out of 10 at worst) but just hangs around. Although it will be in one place sometimes (two days ago it was more in my mid/upper left stomach and last night it was in my lower right stomach...today it's more generalized) it seems to migrate around.

I would not be concerned if it wasn't for the stomach pain/indigestion coupled with the itchy skin and unshakable fatigue/herx-like feeling.

I feel like this could be just a herx or could be the first signs of a candida issue (I have religiously taken probiotics and eat very well with no processed sugars and very few refined carbs) or maybe even something else like signs of a gallbladder issue. Or maybe even a stomach issue completely unrelated to Lyme and my treatment.

Anyone have any similar experiences or thoughts? Always good to get insight from this community before subjecting myself to the urgent care/ER fiasco smile

Thanks in advance!
Posted 3/25/2017 7:26 PM (GMT 0)
I was thinking "likely Candida" all the way through your post - even with taking good probiotics and eating very healthy, yeast and fungal issues can still set in while taking abx.

While it could still be a herx, can you call your doc and get their opinion on it?
Posted 3/25/2017 7:42 PM (GMT 0)
Hey Traveler. Thanks for the response.

I called the doc and he said that since it's a stomach issue and is somewhat generalized that it could be many things and recommended that I go to urgent care/ER if I felt like I needed to.

Although my doc is amazing with treatments and knowledge, he tends to want to focus on treatments and doesn't get too caught up in the herx/candida/detox/supplement convos. He's a great doc and has really helped me but I have to look to other resources beyond treatment questions unfortunately smile
Posted 3/25/2017 9:01 PM (GMT 0)

Traveler said...
I was thinking "likely Candida" all the way through your post - even with taking good probiotics and eating very healthy, yeast and fungal issues can still set in while taking abx.

While it could still be a herx, can you call your doc and get their opinion on it?

I'm so glad you posted that, because it is exactly what came to my mind as I read it. I need to find that Candida link I am so fond of and post it here.
Posted 5/1/2017 6:48 PM (GMT 0)
I was doing a search and reading this post. I feel like I am having identical symptoms to what you noted here. I even have itchy spots on my feet. Did you ever figure out what this was? I wonder about candida as well maybe its finally dying off as I have had systemic candida for months now. I am worried about this being related to the gallbladder or even appendix.
Posted 5/1/2017 7:36 PM (GMT 0)
lkc1981 -

You've received good input already... I think it's wise to explore yeast/fungal overgrowth. A couple more questions -

How long have you been on the Rocephin and malarone? Your sx don't sound like an allergic reaction but itchy skin is a little red flag. You can try stopping either of the Rx (not at the same time) to see if you have relief but if it's a yeast/fungal overgrowth, you might or might not see relief after stopping the meds so this is kind of confusing and probably not helpful in determining cause.

Did you change probiotics lately? Some can really trigger yeast/fungus overgrowth.

One thing you can do right away is to start on a good binder - this can help flush some of the yeast and byproducts, and toxins after you kill it. Activated charcoal, bentonite clay, psyllium husk are all good - respect a min. 1 hr buffer before and min. 2 hr buffer after binders for anything else you ingest (food, supps, meds). Always drink a LOT of water after binders.

If we're talking about yeat/fungal overgrowth, you need a strong antifungal while on abx. Natural antifungals are great for prevention or maintenance but not always effective against an existing problem.

There is more info on yeast/fungal overgrowth and antifungals in this thread - give it a good read and then you can post more specific questions if you have them:
Y/FO post in the "New to Lyme?" thread at the top of the page:
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=1606610&g=3644275#m3644275

-p
Posted 5/1/2017 8:08 PM (GMT 0)
Yes. I forgot to add that I have the same symptoms but am not on antibiotics now.
Pirouette-I have not heard that some probiotics can trigger yeast/mold.
Posted 5/1/2017 8:58 PM (GMT 0)
shanna -

Yes, there are a lot of probiotics out there, various brands and combinations of bacteria and enzymes. It's tough to know which works and I think it's different for all of us. A healthy gut biome is comprised of millions of bacteria. I think the probiotics generally help prevent yeast/fungal overgrowth while on abx, but once you're on abx rebalancing your gut biome is going to require a lot more than just probiotics. I still recommend that most people take probiotics while on abx but anyone w/ yeast or fungal issues should probably test the out before taking long-term.

I started tx w/ various GI problems yet I have done better off them than on them and I've been on IV abx for 2 yrs so this is certainly true for me.

-p
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