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Posted 1/21/2016 9:26 PM (GMT 0)
Has anyone used benicar to help with herxes? I am very sensitive and have severe herx reactions to most supplements, herbals, etc. My LLND is testing my vit d levels and thinking about using Benicar, depending on the test results. I have read all the posts on Benicar but didn't find much on using it for inflammation. I will not be doing the Marshall Protocol and avoiding sun, vit d, etc.
Posted 1/21/2016 9:39 PM (GMT 0)
Hi dmw52!-

Sorry, I haven't heard of benicar.

Some people have good luck using Alka Seltzer Gold for herxing.

For inflammation, I use A-Inflam, this is a liquid herbal supplement. I also use liposomal glutathione. I didn't herx from either of these supplements.

Hopefully someone will know more about benicar.

Best Wishes!
Posted 1/21/2016 11:25 PM (GMT 0)
I would ask what else you are doing for detoxing? Being very sensitive to most supplements, herbs and that really screams detox issues. Have you had any of the gene testing done for detox issues?

And how is your blood pressure? It's usually used for high blood pressure, so if you don't have high blood pressure it could make it drop too low.
Posted 1/22/2016 12:04 AM (GMT 0)
Traveler, I have had 23 and me testing done. I don't have the MTHFR deficit but I have many others. I had a LLND go through the test with me and he recommended some supplements but I couldn't tolerate any of them. Lyme has made me hypersensitive to most things. I drink lemon water, use chorella, do some juicing, follow an anti-inflammatory diet, epsom baths. I tried a FIR sauna but that made me herx too much too. I couldn't tolerate 25 mg of minocycline every second or third day. My LLND isn't sure what to do for me and he treats people across Canada. He is looking at Benicar since I don't have many options.

My blood pressure is low. I know it is a medication for low blood pressure, but I have read that it can help to stablize low pressure.
Posted 1/22/2016 12:30 AM (GMT 0)
After reading that, I would suggest that you seriously look into MCAD. Mast Cell Activation Disorder. When it comes with Lyme, it's not exactly the same as when it's the only thing going on though. Here are some links that should help you determine if you are dealing with this or not - but with you being so hypersensitive to practically everything, I'd actually be surprised if you don't have this or something similar going on.

lymemd.blogspot.com/2015/03/mast-cells-and-lyme.html?m=1


lymemd.blogspot.com/2015/06/mast-cell-activation-disorder-mcad-new.html?m=1


lymemd.blogspot.com/2015/06/lyme-and-mast-cells.html


lymemd.blogspot.com/2015/07/occams-razor-lyme-and-mast-cells.html?m=1


And, if you and your doctor believe that this could be your issue, here is a paper written that includes a table (#5) of treatments that can be used to help control this issue:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3069946/


We've had a few other members figure out that this is what's stopping them from tolerating their treatments. It might be well worth your while to check into it.
Posted 1/22/2016 12:59 AM (GMT 0)
Isn't Benicar the medication that is used to lower the vitamins d levels?
Posted 1/23/2016 10:24 AM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
Isn't Benicar the medication that is used to lower the vitamins d levels?

It is believed by some that Benicar binds the Vitamin D receptor which prevents bacteria and other pathogens from "hiding" in the receptor.

I personally think there is a small amount of validity to what Marshall is trying to say. I don't believe the protocol is valid or worth trying, but I do think that pathogens utilize the Vitamin D receptor in some way. Much more study is needed.
Posted 1/23/2016 6:13 PM (GMT 0)
Reading up on MCAD, Traveler. I have some of the symptoms and high histamine levels. I am not familiar with this at all. Does this cause skin issues?
Posted 1/23/2016 6:50 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, MCAD can cause skin issues for many, but it is like Lyme, not everyone has the same symptoms. Most of the time MCAD skin issues cause what could be considered an allergic reaction type of skin issue, but if you do an internet search for "Cutaneous mastocytosis" you can see the symptoms for yourself.

Remember that the tick-borne infection can cause skin rashes and other things as well.
Posted 1/24/2016 2:59 AM (GMT 0)

dmw52 said...
Traveler, I have had 23 and me testing done. I don't have the MTHFR deficit but I have many others. I had a LLND go through the test with me and he recommended some supplements but I couldn't tolerate any of them. Lyme has made me hypersensitive to most things. I drink lemon water, use chorella, do some juicing, follow an anti-inflammatory diet, epsom baths. I tried a FIR sauna but that made me herx too much too. I couldn't tolerate 25 mg of minocycline every second or third day. My LLND isn't sure what to do for me and he treats people across Canada. He is looking at Benicar since I don't have many options.

My blood pressure is low. I know it is a medication for low blood pressure, but I have read that it can help to stablize low pressure.

I would really look into glutathione to detox. It does really well cooling down inflammation. My doc said it has zero side effects unless you have issues with the preservatives in it.

I agree with Traveler. You wouldn't believe how much detoxing can help moderate symptoms.
Posted 1/24/2016 5:10 AM (GMT 0)
dmw52 - is that Dr. C. you're talking about?
Posted 1/24/2016 11:48 AM (GMT 0)
Yes it is Girlie.
Posted 1/24/2016 6:43 PM (GMT 0)
Interesting - I didn't know he used Benicar...maybe it's something new.
Posted 1/24/2016 7:06 PM (GMT 0)
Benicar has some very interesting kinetics. It comes in a 5mg, 40mg, and 80mg strengths. The 40mg is used by most physicians. The interesting thing about the blood levels and effectiveness of Benicar is that an 80mg dose will only yield about a 16% increase in blood pressure reduction over a 40mg dose. The same applies for higher doses like used in the Marshal Protocol. It's self limiting as the body metabolizes more as the dosage goes up.
Posted 1/24/2016 7:25 PM (GMT 0)
dmw52 - do you have high blood pressure? or high enough that it can be safely lowered when you take the Benicar?
Posted 1/24/2016 8:39 PM (GMT 0)
Girlie, I have low blood pressure.
Posted 1/24/2016 10:22 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry, dmw52 - you did say you had low BP in one of the posts.

So, you will have to monitor your BP closely if you take Benicar.
Posted 1/24/2017 5:18 PM (GMT 0)
I've been using Benicar for chronic inflammation for two years. I do not have a problem with high blood pressure. I did have to watch my blood pressure when I first started taking it because it would get kind of low. 80/60-70 range. After a few months that passed.

I tested positive for lyme in 2012 and relapsed in 2014. I started the protocol and it has been working for me. I take 20mg of benicar 5 times a day.

I'm not an expert on this protocol so I would not recommend this to anyone because everyone's LYME is different.

I think the protocol would work better for me if I could follow the diet but I'm a carbaholic!

Let me know if you have any questions.
Posted 1/26/2017 2:25 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the info modooley. Are you doing the Marshall protocol? I have developed MCAD and can't tolerate most supplements, herbals, etc. My LLND decided not to prescribe Benicar since my vit D levels were within normal range.
Posted 1/30/2017 8:52 PM (GMT 0)
Dmw52, that is great your dr did that. Mr. Dr said because my 1,25-D level was so high that the benicar would work for me. He's treating me for chronic inflammatory disease. It's similar to the marshall protocol.

I'm taking benicar, mino, clyndi and zith.

Hope you find something that will work for you. This disease sucks and what's worse is it's different for everyone so no two people take the same thing. sad
Posted 5/5/2017 3:38 AM (GMT 0)

modooley said...
I've been using Benicar for chronic inflammation for two years. I do not have a problem with high blood pressure. I did have to watch my blood pressure when I first started taking it because it would get kind of low. 80/60-70 range. After a few months that passed.

I tested positive for lyme in 2012 and relapsed in 2014. I started the protocol and it has been working for me. I take 20mg of benicar 5 times a day.

I'm not an expert on this protocol so I would not recommend this to anyone because everyone's LYME is different.

I think the protocol would work better for me if I could follow the diet but I'm a carbaholic!

Let me know if you have any questions.


hi modooley
I am also interested in using Benicar but I am scared as well. My vitD is very low. No matter how much I take it, it stays low. I have bone pain and muscles pain already. Do you think Benicar will fix it? Do you get any bone or muscle pain from Benicar? any other issue from Benicar?
thanks
Posted 5/5/2017 3:49 AM (GMT 0)

modooley said...
I've been using Benicar for chronic inflammation for two years. I do not have a problem with high blood pressure. I did have to watch my blood pressure when I first started taking it because it would get kind of low. 80/60-70 range. After a few months that passed.

I tested positive for lyme in 2012 and relapsed in 2014. I started the protocol and it has been working for me. I take 20mg of benicar 5 times a day.

I'm not an expert on this protocol so I would not recommend this to anyone because everyone's LYME is different.

I think the protocol would work better for me if I could follow the diet but I'm a carbaholic!

Let me know if you have any questions.

Awesome to hear that something is working so well for your inflammation! I will surely add it to my list of things to maybe try in the future if I fail to get it under control.

I am on way to many drugs to add another now without removing one but it is awesome to know as many resources as possible!

Thank you for sharing!

Little Bear (LB) said...
Hi dmw52!-

I use A-Inflam, this is a liquid herbal supplement. I also use liposomal glutathione. I didn't herx from either of these supplements.

Whats in the A-Inflam? Who makes it? Thanks!
Posted 5/5/2017 3:55 AM (GMT 0)

sp2000 said...

modooley said...
I've been using Benicar for chronic inflammation for two years. I do not have a problem with high blood pressure. I did have to watch my blood pressure when I first started taking it because it would get kind of low. 80/60-70 range. After a few months that passed.

I tested positive for lyme in 2012 and relapsed in 2014. I started the protocol and it has been working for me. I take 20mg of benicar 5 times a day.

I'm not an expert on this protocol so I would not recommend this to anyone because everyone's LYME is different.

I think the protocol would work better for me if I could follow the diet but I'm a carbaholic!

Let me know if you have any questions.


hi modooley
I am also interested in using Benicar but I am scared as well. My vitD is very low. No matter how much I take it, it stays low. I have bone pain and muscles pain already. Do you think Benicar will fix it? Do you get any bone or muscle pain from Benicar? any other issue from Benicar?
thanks

Hi sp2000 - welcome to our community.

Benicar can lower vitamin d levels by inhibiting the conversion from inactive to active vit d

You don't want to take it if your d levels are already low.

Have you had your Calcium levels tested along with the parathyroid hormone?

Do you have Lyme disease ..or think you might?
Posted 5/6/2017 2:45 AM (GMT 0)
HI Girlie

My blood PTH and calcium are normal but Vit D is low due to which I have muscle and bone pain. I don't have Lyme but still my symptoms are very close to Lyme. I think some thing has gone wrong with my vitamin D receptors or body is not making enough vitD.
Posted 5/6/2017 4:49 AM (GMT 0)
Maybe I am wrong but what I understand from Marshal protocol is the Benicar fixes vitamin D receptors.
here is study that Benicar reduces osteoporosis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25363367
In the follow-up period, the patients treated with a CCB showed a significant decrease in bone mineral density in a time-dependent manner, accompanied by a significant increase in bone resorption markers, whereas treatment with olmesartan inhibited bone loss, associated with attenuation of increased bone resorption markers
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