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Posted 5/9/2017 12:28 AM (GMT 0)
As some of you know, I had C diff back in February. My lyme dr will not let me go back on any antibiotic even though my stomach has been way better for a while now. I was off all meds (except Flagyl and Vanco for C diff) for over a month and I felt great. I started on Alinia two weeks ago.

However, this past Wednesday my dreaded fever came back with a vengeance. My doctor added Malarone to the Alinia but he will not let me take any other meds. I am beyond upset. I feel like I am never going to get better.

He wants me to take the following herbs: Samento, Banderol, crypto-plus, and houttunyia. Has anyone taken these?

He told me to start one herbal tincture at one drop once a day and then work my way up to 30 drops. I feel like it will take me a year to get up to the full dose of these herbs.

Please share your experiences with the herbal protocols and which one works best. Thanks!
Posted 5/9/2017 12:49 AM (GMT 0)
I take crypto plus and that started me on healing babesia. I had to add Alinia to it eventually.
Some people do well on samento and banderol but it did nothing for me. I took it for months. Increased my dose up to 30 drops twice a day really quickly. It just didn't make a dent in my symptoms at all. But I also am not responding to Byron White and I keep hearing how powerful those are. I think my body is weird and doesn't respond well to herbs.
I say try it. It may work really well for you!
Posted 5/9/2017 12:57 AM (GMT 0)
How do you take the herbs? I read one drop a day a half hour before food. And that you need to space out when you take any other herbs. This seems confusing and a lot of work. IS there a way to simplify it?
Posted 5/9/2017 1:05 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Evanston,

I think your doctor is very smart! Abx can be very hard on one's body. I am a strong believer in alternative medicine because it worked for me and it's been over 11 years that I am healed.

Which herbal? I tried all different kinds before I tried Dr. Jernigan's protocol and even with that I started with one botanical only just to see if I felt any different which I did so I continued.

Detoxing is another biggie because if one doesn't rid their body of toxins they get recycled back into the body causing lots of problems. Also a healthy diet is important and well as stress (learning how to lower one's stress levels). Everything is connected: mind, body, soul.

Getting better is all about trial and error and finding out which herbal works for you. There is so many free blogs and video's by highly respected doctors and if you can take advantage and learn.

I wish you the best!
Denise
Posted 5/9/2017 1:06 AM (GMT 0)
Herbs can be powerful...i herxed harder on andrographis than i did with iv rocephin and bvt out them both to shame ..samento banderol and most nutramedix are weaksauce in that they are 4 to one ...byron white is 90 to 1 ..trav got her bart with houttynia and i am on month two of hh2 (zhang) where whole leaf decoction wasnt cutting it ..
if the the crypto plus is the research nutracuticauls i have heard good things .btw i jumped in to bw abart at 20 drops 2x a day ...and samento banderol didnt seem to do much imo

if its not enough consider other like modalities like bvt ,rife ,mhbot ,homeopathy
and there is whole herbs beyond balance ,zhang ,and bw if above doesnt hack it .
Posted 5/9/2017 1:12 AM (GMT 0)
Hi again Evanston,

If I were in your shoes I would just concentrate on detoxing and a healthy diet before taking any herbals. Why? Because you need to get the remnants of the antibiotics out of your body before taking anything else.

Whatever you decide on keep it simple. Don't bombard your body with more than one herb. See how you respond so you know what is working and what is not.

Denise
Posted 5/9/2017 3:11 AM (GMT 0)
Absolutely. There's no reason to think antibiotics are stronger than herbs. In fact, quite the contrary. When plants kill microorganisms they don't just use one antibiotic. They use up to a dozen coupled with efflux pump inhibitors, adhesion inhibitors, quorum sensing inhibitors, biofilm degrading compounds, immune stimulants, etc. Ironically they are much more sophisticated medicines than the things we spend all our research dollars trying to invent. That said you still have to do the leg work of figuring out what works best for you as an individual with your own personal infection complex. I would personally recommend shying from cowdens protocol and starting with buhners. I know some people have had some success with cowdens but cowdens has very little scientific basis or history of traditional use. Buhner analyzes herbs for their traditional uses over thousands of years coupled with modern day science and personal experience treating Lyme patients. Cowdens herbs are obscure and can only be bought through him.

As far as personal experiences Japanese knotweed has been very helpful though i've been finding it difficult to source quality product recently. Sida acuta has given me some horrific herxes even symptoms of deep nervous system infection which is a great sign. Same with cryptolepis. I've heard good things of houttuynia too. That's on my list for sure.
Posted 5/9/2017 3:27 AM (GMT 0)
I healed with Buhner herbs.

I highly recommend detoxing just like Deejavu said. You want to start from a good place if you are going to do herbs. So good food, no junk or additives, as organic as you can afford. Rest - you heal when sleeping and resting. Absolutely lower your stress. Lots of water to flush out the toxins and read about detoxing in the New to Lyme thread at the top of the thread list.

Dr. Rawls has a book called Unlocking Lyme. He was a doctor that got lyme disease. He tried many things, and went through many tests. He finally landed on taking Buhner's herb protocol. And then he wrote a very easy to read book that is such common sense and a delight to read as far as lyme books go. Not super technical at all.

Good luck.
Posted 5/9/2017 3:52 AM (GMT 0)
My LLMD has me doing Byron White and we started out fast and furious. I was doing AL-Complex, A-Bab, A-Bart, and then moved up to Samento and Banderol. Eventually, I was herxing so bad I was flat out on the couch for three days unable to get up. Right now, I'm just taking AL-Complex. I herx so bad I'm terrified of moving up another drop of anything. Causes me so much stress. Is it working? Doesn't feel like it. Especially not when I can't increase the dosage.
Posted 5/9/2017 4:03 AM (GMT 0)

10LymeB said...
My LLMD has me doing Byron White and we started out fast and furious. I was doing AL-Complex, A-Bab, A-Bart, and then moved up to Samento and Banderol. Eventually, I was herxing so bad I was flat out on the couch for three days unable to get up. Right now, I'm just taking AL-Complex. I herx so bad I'm terrified of moving up another drop of anything. Causes me so much stress. Is it working? Doesn't feel like it. Especially not when I can't increase the dosage.

Herxing means it's creating more toxins (through die off ) than your body is flushing out.

If you're herxing...then you don't need to increase the dose. In fact you should consider backing down until your herx subsides. And focus on detox.

Then after a while you can increase again.
Posted 5/9/2017 4:03 AM (GMT 0)
The thing to remember 10LymeB is that you often WILL feel worse when it is working. Do you have trouble getting de-toxing to work for you in minimizing the herxes?
Posted 5/9/2017 4:22 AM (GMT 0)
Agree with girlie. Herxing is a good sign but too much is counterproductive. I keep my dose barely above the threshold of discomfort and it takes me no more than a week to improve at that dose. Then increase and repeat. I've had to stop and regress too many times from going to hard and fast
Posted 5/9/2017 6:51 PM (GMT 0)
Late to the discussion, but I healed a set of 40 year old infections with herbs only because I could not tolerate pharma abx. You may have to try a couple of different herbal protocols to find one that really works well for you - in that way they are no different than pharma abx.

I was told I likely had ever tick-borne infection by a very well known LLMD, and yet I did heal with herbs only. I've been reinfected again and I've turned to my herbs yet again because they worked so well before.
Posted 5/9/2017 7:22 PM (GMT 0)
Herbs are powerful but they are only 1 part of the equation. My doctor recently told me that I need to up the detoxing and wants me to do chlorella and cilantro. I forgot I had nano greens and did that today. Whoa boy. It also detoxes heavy metals which everyone has to a degree unless you've been living in a bubble.
Posted 5/9/2017 7:59 PM (GMT 0)
Evanston1, sorry the abx are giving you fits and you had to bow out of the new career opportunity. I had to turn down a new job on the same exact day as you made that post.

I've not tried the cowden herbs but I've got to say, they have a very appealing titration and dosing schedule. Buhner warns about "one size fits all" type protocols and cowden's certainly is that.

I can't imagine titrating up anything remotely close to their schedule. The other herbals I tried thus far give me strange endocrine reactions. My llmd wants to watch me and figure out my wiring before he doses me with abx. I get it, but I hate these herbs and just want to get moving with the abx.

Here's the link to the cowden dosing schedule.
www.nutramedix.ec/ns/cowden-support-program

Post Edited (BJD55) : 5/9/2017 2:02:44 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/10/2017 12:23 AM (GMT 0)
I also love herbs, specially Buhner's. But Chinese herbs are also very smart (I used some Cowden, many Buhner's, quite some Chinese herbs against lyme and coinfections).

Antibiotics and drugs look like so backward compared to what a couple of herbs do. Much more intelligent.

Then add homeopathics to that, you got quite an amazing arsenal to fight most diseases without ever needing to touch drugs. I no longer use drugs for many years, unless I find no other alternative.

I also think detox is even more important than all antimicrobials. Without detoxing, I would be still ill (I'm lyme-free for the last 8 years).

Chlorella was my friend number 1 during lyme. It's also a plant!

What put my lyme dormant at last was photon therapy with nosodes. But I could put lyme dormant only with herbs and homeopathics (plus a lot of detox, dental work, chelation, mineral supplementation...). My problem was frequent relapses.
Only photons stopped relapses, and also for my daughter.

We still take herbs for other conditions though, and homeopathics, and still do infrared for other diseases, when we need.
Posted 5/10/2017 2:33 AM (GMT 0)
Of course they do smile
Posted 5/10/2017 5:32 AM (GMT 0)

Jinna said...
I also love herbs, specially Buhner's. But Chinese herbs are also very smart (I used some Cowden, many Buhner's, quite some Chinese herbs against lyme and coinfections).

Antibiotics and drugs look like so backward compared to what a couple of herbs do. Much more intelligent.

Then add homeopathics to that, you got quite an amazing arsenal to fight most diseases without ever needing to touch drugs. I no longer use drugs for many years, unless I find no other alternative.

I also think detox is even more important than all antimicrobials. Without detoxing, I would be still ill (I'm lyme-free for the last 8 years).

Chlorella was my friend number 1 during lyme. It's also a plant!

What put my lyme dormant at last was photon therapy with nosodes. But I could put lyme dormant only with herbs and homeopathics (plus a lot of detox, dental work, chelation, mineral supplementation...). My problem was frequent relapses.
Only photons stopped relapses, and also for my daughter.

We still take herbs for other conditions though, and homeopathics, and still do infrared for other diseases, when we need.

sounds like brussels story ?
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