Lyme - B1 deficiency ?

dazed

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Posted 5/12/2017 8:36 PM (GMT 0)

Is it possible for Lyme to cause Vitamin B-1 deficiency?

My B-1 test came back low and some of the syndrome symptoms associated with B-1 deficiency are what I'm experiencing. I think my test result was 6 and the range was 7-21 maybe.

Not sure how I could be low in B-1. I don't drink and I'm not malnourished. I had not been eating bread for awhile prior to the test, but I would think other foods would give me enough B1.

thanks

Pirouette

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Posted 5/12/2017 9:32 PM (GMT 0)

Hi dazed -

Interesting question. I don't know the answer but I know that there are methylation issues that include having trouble metabolizing or processing chemicals and hormones that are needed to process b-1 and other Bs.

I'm also kind of suspicious of all tests ;) Not that tests are bad or all wrong but they isolate components for measurements and sometimes one measurement doesn't reflect how components actually function within the body or what is actually going on.

So, I'm sure that doesn't really help you but hope others with a better answer will chime in.

-p

Georgia Hunter

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Posted 5/13/2017 11:13 AM (GMT 0)

Here are a few to read. One of thiamine's responsibilities is to help break down additional glucose. Reducing glucose intake may help elevate thiamine levels. Other jobs for thiamine is to assist in the production of neurotransmitters like GABA and glutamic acid and in the production of myelin. Thiamine deficiencies can result from issues in these pathways, a deficiency of thiamine intake, or a reduction of thiamine transporters. All of these activities occur inside our cells so even people with high blood levels of thiamine can be deficient intracellularly if they don't have enough transport proteins. I'd check for taurine deficiency as well, it may need to be supplemented. Magnesium supplementation can make thiamine deficiency worse.

/www.researchgate.net/profile/Chunhao_Li/publication/310626750_Lyme_disease_spirochete_Borrelia_burgdorferi_does_not_require_thiamin/links/5834617608ae138f1c0d6c41.pdf

casereports.bmj.com/content/2013/bcr-2013-009019.abstract

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987714004393

ccc-better

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Posted 5/13/2017 1:28 PM (GMT 0)

Just a couple of quick points.

1) Everyone is different - my son can't tolerate much B1, but he needs a lot of B2. Conversely, I am indifferent to B2, but I seem to need more B1 than anyone else in my family.

2) Have you gone grain-free? Grains, specifically wholegrains of the sort in bread, are one of the main sources of B1 in our Western diet.

Finally, I have read somewhere that the Lyme spirochetes don't need B1, but that doesn't mean they do something else to disrupt your metabolism and cause B1 issues. (EDIT - it's in the post just before this one!)

Anyway, it's easy to check if you will benefit. Buy some cheap B1, crush the tablet, and put just a crumb on your tongue. You will probably get no reaction - it's a cautious approach in case you are oversensitive due to being soooooo deficient. If that goes okay, try a bit more. Some people need large doses, but you would want to read up on all your B vitamin interactions before you try that at home.

Traveler

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Posted 5/13/2017 2:39 PM (GMT 0)

Yes, some people end up with a deficiency of some vitamins when they have Lyme, including B1.

Here's a pretty good article that explains it:
www.lymeinfo.net/thiamin.html

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