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Posted 5/18/2017 2:27 AM (GMT 0)
Can anyone shed any light on what became of the allegations and investigations that staff of the hansa center posted fake reviews on mdjunction specifically?

Thank you.
Posted 5/18/2017 2:28 AM (GMT 0)
I never heard this. Really?
Posted 5/18/2017 2:31 AM (GMT 0)
See this link

http://cjonline.com/news-business-local-state/2016-09-13/state-medical-board-has-spent-years-investigating-hansa-natural
Posted 5/18/2017 3:00 AM (GMT 0)
Oh my gosh, Heathersdad has been on here for a long time.......

I know nothing other that what he has posted.
Posted 5/18/2017 4:18 AM (GMT 0)
That was so last year ..i hope dr j made thru that bs unscathed ..it mentions heathers dad lol..i mean are mustard foot baths in the practicing scope of chiros ? And herbal formulas usually fall under folk remidies here in my state they are protected ...

here a d.om recently got reviewd by a board based on a complaint for her iv therapy (its in their scope here) the heard the case tossed it out and let her practice .

Waivers should be signed ,of course the crap is expermental ...i have put many things in my veins in hopes of healing .not one time was i like "if this doesnt cure me i will file a civil case " like bad llmd i wonder if there is a black list for bad patients?
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Posted 5/18/2017 12:05 PM (GMT 0)
Does Heathersdad still post?
Posted 5/18/2017 12:15 PM (GMT 0)
The case does not really address the allegations. It is hrs because the appearance of impropriety can be as bad as impropriety in the public eye.
Posted 5/18/2017 1:52 PM (GMT 0)
I have "put out word" to someone that may know - but there's no telling when I might hear back, as they are in the process of moving. Until then, I would suggest that no one pay much attention to things like this. We do need to be aware of them, and if they are really serious charges we need to check them out, but if it's a place that can offer support or help to us, they WILL be under investigation at some point in time.

We've had some excellent LLMD's have to pack up and move to a different state because they have been harassed so much, or they lost their license to practice in that state. That should in no way deter us from seeking them out - why? Because they are the ones that are going against the flow - standing out there to help us even though they get investigated, harassed, falsely prosecuted and have lies told about them.
Posted 5/18/2017 3:37 PM (GMT 0)
Rather than poor / questionable medical practice being at issue, I think it's fake reviews posted by shills and touts are the bigger take away. You can find loads of fake reviews on amazon. Just check "fakespot.com" before you accept the Amazon reviews.

I've seen suspicious posters on other types of online forums. I have used pickup truck forums and photography equipment forums among others. There are those who participate to gain knowledge from the experience of others, I think that's why we're all here.

Rhetorical question: did the poster at issue share their trials and tribulations, seek help from the forum members when they first joined? Was there a healing process that we watched unfold over time? Or did their participation begin with glowing, miraculous testimonials?

I know many good people on this forum who still visit to "pay it forward" and I applaud you all. I think most people want to just live their life and forget about their experience with chronic Lyme once they're healed.

On other types of forums, you can find those posters who only tout and the defend the product. They look like real people online, but how can you know for sure? They're called "fan boys". Are they for real? I'd bet not all are.

Put yourself in the shoes of a marketing director. Why wouldn't you want your product promoted in online forums? It's the cheapest way to reach a specifically targeted audience.

Post Edited (BJD55) : 5/18/2017 9:41:02 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/18/2017 3:49 PM (GMT 0)
Well, I was surprised by a quick response from the person that I asked about this - they have seen nothing and went to the MD Junction site and now that I've had a chance to read the court document (thanks Simon Templar!), it's a bunch of cr*p.

How do I know this? I know Heather's Dad. He was a mod on here with me for a short time, and we talked frequently, as mods do. I know the struggles he and his daughter had, and he does NOT work for Hansa -he's no different than any of us that want to share what we have learned. Imagine if I was brought up on charges for saying that the Chronic Tonic healed me. We share and encourage others to share what works for us, understanding that it may or may not be helpful to us personally because that's the way these infections are.

And, according to the link that Jonesy supplied (thank you!), the article states:
"Jernigan wasn’t disciplined after the 2011 investigation, according to the Board of Healing Arts’ website, though it is unclear why. Board of Healing Arts investigations are confidential unless they result in discipline."

So this is just another attempt at silencing doctors that don't follow IDSA guidelines in my opinion. We see it all too often.
Posted 5/18/2017 5:10 PM (GMT 0)
Not to mention that this all took place years ago.... and Hansa is still in business and Healther's Dad is still posting. Just another attempt at shutting down doctors that don't follow IDSA treatment standards, even though they have been removed from the National Guidelines Clearinghouse a few years ago and replaced by ILADS treatment standards.
Posted 5/18/2017 5:37 PM (GMT 0)
Another example of why we don't put Doctor's names on this forum.
Posted 5/18/2017 7:13 PM (GMT 0)

bluelyme said...
...i wonder if there is a black list for bad patients?

heh... L-O-N-G list. Although I think it's more the insurance and other medical organizations going after the alternative industry.

-p
Posted 5/18/2017 10:45 PM (GMT 0)
This is what happened on the Lymenet forum:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.diseases.lyme/7NaBcMIA9hQ

https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2014/09/517867.html
Posted 5/18/2017 11:15 PM (GMT 0)
You know, these alternative healing doctors are in real danger of being silenced either through legal means or even permanently. I'm too tired to dig up any articles but there are many many NDs who've died in mysterious circumstances. I'm sure this is another smear attempt for an alternative doc.
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