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Posted 5/31/2017 12:15 PM (GMT 0)
Hello everyone!

My LLMD wants me to add in Cryptolepis along with my antibiotics (clarithromycian and cefdinir) to help treat babesia.

Has anyone had good luck with Cryptolepis in treating their Lyme/babesia?

Post Edited (NicHostetler) : 5/31/2017 12:37:10 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/31/2017 3:06 PM (GMT 0)
I never felt it did much for me. I took it with mepron and artemisinin as well as sida acuta. It tastes awful.
Posted 5/31/2017 3:27 PM (GMT 0)
Same here. Added Crypto while on Mepron/Zith/Bactrim protocol, the added Sida, then switched to CSA.
Didn't do much for me at the time. But worth a try, just give it long enough chance to help.

Infuserve America has Crypto with peppermint to make it better tasting. Last time I check it was like $95 per bottle (??size) but needed an Rx. The cost per dose was much better than the smaller 4 oz tintures from WE or SW sites.
Posted 5/31/2017 3:31 PM (GMT 0)
I just started taking crypto with sida acuta and so far it has helped. I still have the day sweats and air hunger.
Posted 5/31/2017 4:05 PM (GMT 0)
Cant' tell that it's done anything for me. I was able to get to the max dose very quickly. Would still give it a go.
Posted 5/31/2017 4:24 PM (GMT 0)
Buhner states that this tincture is the #1 on his list for babesia.
Posted 5/31/2017 4:29 PM (GMT 0)
I remember when I first started treating I took a few drops of cryptolepis and it felt like there was an explosion in my head. The herx was super strong (which happens often to me, it's just that cryptolepis was one of the first things I took and the response was memorable for me), took me a few weeks to acclimate. It helped but like with most things I plateau'd and have had to rotate through various antimicrobials. I think it can be very effective though. I think CSA is excellent combo as well. I just ordered sida plus from woodlands essence, will see how that goes.

I would just go slow in the beginning so you can gauge your response.
Posted 5/31/2017 4:48 PM (GMT 0)
I use Research Nutritionals Crypto-Plus and it helped a lot initially with my babesia. But I have plateaued on it as well and am rotating it out once I'm done with my bottle. I took it for a few months and I highly recommend it!
Posted 5/31/2017 4:59 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for all the responses! It seems like it mostly doesn't help much from what I have read here and other sites.. Still going to give it a go though!

I am not even sure I have babesia, but I have been having lightheaded/off balance feeling, weakness, heart palpitations, night sweats (not very often anymore) and tightness in my chest. None of these have improved all that much while treating just Borrellia with antibiotics, so I think its time to start adding things in to attack coinfections. To me these symptoms sound like babesia but I could be wrong..

I have Buhners book coming in the mail and am looking forward to adding in a bunch of his herbs.
Posted 5/31/2017 5:00 PM (GMT 0)
Oh yes, that is a great point you guys. I usually find that if I plateau, if I wait a given amount of time and reintroduce the antimicrobial at a later date I will get a response again. Rotations are key imo. Have to punch the pathogens from new angles, surprise them and keep them on their toes. After a while of using one antimicrobial I think the low hanging fruit has been nailed so there are diminishing returns. The rest of the pathogens are either resistant, in hard to reach tissues, or find some other way to protect/hide themselves. But as far as it seems to me they can be surprised again when there is a break from a med which is reintroduced after a break.
Posted 5/31/2017 5:52 PM (GMT 0)
I took the Cryptolepis for many months - and didn't notice anything - good or bad...so I've dropped it now.
Posted 5/31/2017 5:52 PM (GMT 0)
hmmm, interesting. Yeah, I guess it depends on the case? I have a hard time saying anything for certain with these diseases, there is such wide variability between patients!!!

I tend to do a set of herbals for a few months then I rotate. I think if you have enough antimicrobials on board there is less worry? maybe it is pulsing and then doing nothing that is more problematic? I'm not sure on any of this it is just my intuition based on my own experience. Probably case by case basis, depends on variety of factors per usual have to imagine!

I'm on abx plus herbals, so even if I rotate the herbals I feel ok knowing I have a foundation of abx I'm working with as well. I've also started rifing which I do think has some effectiveness for me. Like you say, so much trial and error for many of us...
Posted 5/31/2017 6:36 PM (GMT 0)
This is a dumb question, but do you mix the cryptolepis in a couple ounces of water?
Posted 5/31/2017 6:41 PM (GMT 0)
Not a dumb question! but yes, usually about 4 ounces or so, at least that's what I did. Fair warning it tastes terrible, like gasoline imo. I might try chasing it with something if you have trouble with the taste.
Posted 5/31/2017 6:42 PM (GMT 0)
I put it in about 1/4 glass of water with my other tinctures...and down the hatch.
Posted 5/31/2017 6:47 PM (GMT 0)

sebreg said...
Not a dumb question! but yes, usually about 4 ounces or so, at least that's what I did. Fair warning it tastes terrible, like gasoline imo. I might try chasing it with something if you have trouble with the taste.

Good to know! Yes, a lot of people complain about the taste so I was wondering if they were taking it straight.

Is it smart to just start with 1 drop twice a day? Or should I start with like 5 twice a day?

Samento and banderol never affected me a bit. I could start with 15 drops and not feel anything. It also didnt taste bad at all.. just like alcohol.
Posted 5/31/2017 6:49 PM (GMT 0)
Hmm, I would recommend 1 drop initially just to play it safe. If you are ok with that can always increase relatively quickly after that.

Oh yes I don't think I could drink this stuff straight up haha! just the thought gives me the shivers ;)
Posted 5/31/2017 6:54 PM (GMT 0)

sebreg said...
Hmm, I would recommend 1 drop initially just to play it safe. If you are ok with that can always increase relatively quickly after that.

Oh yes I don't think I could drink this stuff straight up haha! just the thought gives me the shivers ;)

Haha now I'm not looking forward to starting this! When you said it felt like an explosion in your head, thats how it felt for me when I started Lauricidin. I still can only take like 10 little pellets once a day. That is very very far from the full dosage.
Posted 5/31/2017 7:22 PM (GMT 0)
Buhner's updated protocol for Babesia has Bidens Pilosa instead of the Alchornea Cordifolia (the "A" in the CSA)

But there are testimonies of the CSA working prior to this change.
Posted 5/31/2017 7:29 PM (GMT 0)

Connor77 said...
You need to take at least two of the herbs in the CSA formula. And if you read Buhner's books he says to add a synergist like licorice root, which helps the herbs work together and also amps up their potency.

If you don't herx from the CSA formula then you probably aren't dealing with Lyme but something else. Maybe something viral as those herbs don't work well on viruses.

Good to know! I have tested positive (CDC western blot) for Lyme though. I do also have a positive mycoplasma test as well. I think that's viral.
Posted 5/31/2017 7:32 PM (GMT 0)
A few of my symptoms such as air hunger, weasing, & lightheadedness, are gone after using crypto.
Posted 5/31/2017 7:35 PM (GMT 0)

mcspike said...
A few of my symptoms such as air hunger, weasing, & lightheadedness, are gone after using crypto.

Good to know, I have all three of these and it is very very annoying. How long did it take for you to see improvement?
Posted 6/1/2017 12:09 AM (GMT 0)
Crypto helped me a lot, and I felt it right away. especially could feel it clearing my lungs. I have a lot of Mycoplasma however in my lungs. I felt better overall, and when I stopped it I didn't feel as good. I never had any Babesia symptoms.

I drink all my tinctures with Pomegranate juice as Buhner suggests, it REALLY makes a difference, can't taste them hardly at all and the Pomegranate is good for you too (in small quantities), i couldn't imagine using water yuck! :P
Posted 6/1/2017 2:21 PM (GMT 0)

tickonboard said...
Crypto helped me a lot, and I felt it right away. especially could feel it clearing my lungs. I have a lot of Mycoplasma however in my lungs. I felt better overall, and when I stopped it I didn't feel as good. I never had any Babesia symptoms.

I drink all my tinctures with Pomegranate juice as Buhner suggests, it REALLY makes a difference, can't taste them hardly at all and the Pomegranate is good for you too (in small quantities), i couldn't imagine using water yuck! :P

Never thought about it helping my mycoplasma as well. I have a really bad mycoplasma infection, so I really hope that clears with this as well.

That's great info! Do you just use the POM pomegranate juice?
Posted 6/1/2017 5:18 PM (GMT 0)
I've only taken it as part of CSA, and that definitely has helped me in the past few months. It makes me herx like crazy, so I had to work my way up from 5 drops to 20 very very slowly. I take mine in orange juice.
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