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Posted 6/6/2017 5:44 AM (GMT 0)
It seems like the 2 biggest names in the "standard" treatment world of lyme disease are Dr. Jemsek and Dr. Horowitz. I see Dr. Horowitz everywhere. His new book, posting on facebook and traveling around the world to do lyme speeches, advocating with politicians, participating and hosting lyme treatment studies, going on radio shows, etc.

Great brand new speech by Horowitz BTW:

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZu0wEOFVM8

Is it simply that Dr. Jemsek is treating his patients around the clock? Does he have no time for anything else? I respect both of the guys, but honestly it makes me feel like Dr. Horowitz is doing more for the community, while Dr. Jemsek is staying silent. All the information on Jemsek's website is outdated. It kind of gives off the vibe that Jemsek is falling behind Horowitz and others with the latest and greatest treatments and drugs. It makes me feel sad because at the moment I would trust Horowitz more than Jemsek if I needed a new doctor, but I know he has a mile long waiting list.

What are your thoughts?
Posted 6/6/2017 7:13 AM (GMT 0)
I think that just because Dr. Jemsek isn't publishing books and on tv/radio, meeting with politicians, etc. - it doesn't mean he isn't using the latest and greatest drugs.

We also don't know what's happening in his personal life.
He lost his practice once, and maybe prefers to keep things low key. I read somewhere that his wife had breast cancer several years ago. Maybe he wants to be home every night with his wife.

One of the reasons Dr. H has such a long wait list is most likely due to all his other commitments.
I think both Doctors have done a great service for the Lyme community.
Posted 6/6/2017 7:21 AM (GMT 0)
Dr j had his first practice taken and sued for millions ...i think he is the silent soldier type.
Posted 6/6/2017 2:42 PM (GMT 0)
I think Jemsek does a lot also. He gives a lot of talks at conferences all over Europe etc

Here is a recent interview he did ... Very interesting

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDe0L-5yKvI
Posted 6/6/2017 2:50 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry I'm not sure how to input the direct link thing! If anyone can change it for me that would be great. I know it's useful for those of us viewing on our phones
Posted 6/6/2017 3:43 PM (GMT 0)
Dr. H loves the spotlight (doesn't make him a bad person) hence why you see him out there more. Dr. J has told me personally that Dr. H has used some of his protocols but you would never know it because Dr. J doesn't advertise such things.

Dr. J is not behind Dr. H in fact I'd say he's more ahead of him given the conversations I've had with him. The challenge with going to his practice is he's got 3000 active patients (that's right) and frankly his clinic just can't support the velocity of work that goes through it.

It can take them days to get back to you. Getting an appt with Dr. J you're more likely to see a pig fly by your window he's that overbooked.

Still his protocols have a high success rate, he reviews all protocols that his NP's and PA's administer and there is no case too complicated that he doesn't have a plan for.

For Dr. Horowitz good luck getting to see him even a few months from now but Dr. J you can get in fairly quickly with his NP's or PA's.
Posted 6/6/2017 4:10 PM (GMT 0)
Great guy. They need to shut their doors to new patients and concentrate on the ones that are there though. You can not receive the best healthcare under the conditions they are operating at the moment.
Posted 6/6/2017 4:14 PM (GMT 0)
Starlight - is this what you were wanting?
/m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDe0L-5yKvI
Posted 6/6/2017 4:23 PM (GMT 0)
Yes! Thankyou traveler I'm rubbish at the technical stuff!
Posted 6/6/2017 4:24 PM (GMT 0)
LOL! It's no problem!! Thanks for asking!
Posted 6/6/2017 11:18 PM (GMT 0)

Starlight* said...
I think Jemsek does a lot also. He gives a lot of talks at conferences all over Europe etc

Here is a recent interview he did ... Very interesting

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDe0L-5yKvI

Wow! A brand new interview. The last thing I could find was like from 2011. Ok I'll listen and report back. Thanks.
Posted 6/6/2017 11:26 PM (GMT 0)
As far as I know, Dr. H isn't even accepting patients for his waiting list currently.
Waiting list was just too long.

I'm just thankful they are both out there and people that they see are getting help from Lyme and Co.

We could use some more bright stars in this fight though.....
Posted 6/13/2017 5:43 PM (GMT 0)
After watching the interview on Jemsek, it is clear that he knows his stuff. He doesn't like herbal protocols and seems to really love his pharmaceuticals to fix issues. This doesn't make him bad, in fact I would bet he is more well versed on abx than Horowitz, but less well rounded as a general physician.

If I were to continue treatment with an LLMD away from my home, I am not sure what I would do. I just talked to a guy who went to Jemsek and is 100% well. He is on a maintenance protocol of 4 antibiotics 4 days out of the month.

Then I talked to another guy who has a friend that saw Jemsek. He said his friend might die because he has antibiotic resistant lyme that he developed from treatment at JSC. I didn't even know this was possible? Thoughts?
Posted 6/13/2017 6:07 PM (GMT 0)
I don't know how this guy knows for sure he has antibiotic resistant lyme from treatment. Did Dr. J. tell him that?


I don't think Dr. J. is 'less rounded' as a general physician. He is an Infectious Disease Dr. - so he would know all that a general physician knows...and then some.

He does prescribe non-pharmas as well - so not totally 100% pharma. (I have read several patient protocols - and he does use some of the Cowden products, as well as xylitol, lactoferrin, Glutathione...and other vitamin/minerals)
In the interview - he discusses gut issues...


His background is treating HIV/Aids patients - and that's how he developed his pulsing protocol for LD.
He found that daily dosing for the HIV patients wasn't necessary...and it was better for the immune system to take drug 'holidays'.

I wouldn't say he is "more well versed on abx than Horowitz." Dr. H. knows his antibiotics.
Posted 6/13/2017 6:13 PM (GMT 0)
>>I don't know how this guy knows for sure he has antibiotic resistant lyme from treatment. Did Dr. J. tell him that?

Would love to know this answer as well. I'll bet a bag of peanuts Dr. J didn't tell him this. In any event if he feels he's hit a wall in terms of leveraging abx for his infections he can start doing some pretty potent herbs that these bugs cannot develop resistance again given their multi-pronged approach.
Posted 6/13/2017 6:54 PM (GMT 0)
As stated, the man has a lot on his plate. Lost practice, sued, daughter gets leukemia....that would put a damper on anyone. Yet today hes back in practice treating thousands.

Dont know how he does it. Heck, the leukemia thing alone would have made me second guess going full speed ahead, let alone all the BS associated with Lyme.
Posted 6/13/2017 6:54 PM (GMT 0)

Rikky1 said...
>>I don't know how this guy knows for sure he has antibiotic resistant lyme from treatment. Did Dr. J. tell him that?

Would love to know this answer as well. I'll bet a bag of peanuts Dr. J didn't tell him this. In any event if he feels he's hit a wall in terms of leveraging abx for his infections he can start doing some pretty potent herbs that these bugs cannot develop resistance again given their multi-pronged approach.


I doubt he told him that. A doctor would never say that: "Sorry looks like my protocol ruined you and you will die from an antibiotic resistant infection. Have fun!" That would be suicide and he would be in a lawsuit for sure.

I agree regarding the different protocols besides abx. They could still be leveraged.
Posted 6/13/2017 7:17 PM (GMT 0)

trader758 said...
As stated, the man has a lot on his plate. Lost practice, sued, daughter gets leukemia....that would put a damper on anyone. Yet today hes back in practice treating thousands.

Dont know how he does it. Heck, the leukemia thing alone would have made me second guess going full speed ahead, let alone all the BS associated with Lyme.

I didn't know about his daughter having leukemia. That - along with wife having breast cancer....holy...that would break even the strongest.
Posted 6/13/2017 7:27 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
I don't know how this guy knows for sure he has antibiotic resistant lyme from treatment. Did Dr. J. tell him that?


I don't think Dr. J. is 'less rounded' as a general physician. He is an Infectious Disease Dr. - so he would know all that a general physician knows...and then some.

He does prescribe non-pharmas as well - so not totally 100% pharma. (I have read several patient protocols - and he does use some of the Cowden products, as well as xylitol, lactoferrin, Glutathione...and other vitamin/minerals)
In the interview - he discusses gut issues...


His background is treating HIV/Aids patients - and that's how he developed his pulsing protocol for LD.
He found that daily dosing for the HIV patients wasn't necessary...and it was better for the immune system to take drug 'holidays'.

I wouldn't say he is "more well versed on abx than Horowitz." Dr. H. knows his antibiotics.

Girlie- I don't mean what I said in a negative way. Both are great physicians and would be my first choices if I continue abx, but I stand behind what I said. Every doctor has different skills and the same goes for these two. As an infectious disease doctor that specializes in Lyme, I would expect Jemsek to have slightly better skills in abx and their mechanisms, penetration, etc. Horowitz was a founder of the dapsone protocol, so he is definitely no slouch.

Horowitz also tends to look more holisitically at the body and the illness. And I would expect this being an Internist. Things such as food allergies, heavy metals, detox, mold, hormones. I am not saying that Jemsek doesn't do this, but Horowitz seems to focus on these areas more. This is just my opinion from reading his book and listening to speeches from him and Jemsek.
Posted 6/13/2017 8:27 PM (GMT 0)

Sheeks175 said...
After watching the interview on Jemsek, it is clear that he knows his stuff. He doesn't like herbal protocols and seems to really love his pharmaceuticals to fix issues. This doesn't make him bad, in fact I would bet he is more well versed on abx than Horowitz, but less well rounded as a general physician.

If I were to continue treatment with an LLMD away from my home, I am not sure what I would do. I just talked to a guy who went to Jemsek and is 100% well. He is on a maintenance protocol of 4 antibiotics 4 days out of the month.

Then I talked to another guy who has a friend that saw Jemsek. He said his friend might die because he has antibiotic resistant lyme that he developed from treatment at JSC. I didn't even know this was possible? Thoughts?

I didn't know that was possible either? Why does he say that? Because he is not getting better? So many people pulse. It would seem you are more likely to develop resistance from continuous low-dose treatment than pulsing.
Also consider those you test the waters by stopping abx, relapse a few weeks later, go back on abx, etc...over and over again. I think the guy from Under Our Skin (Jordan Smith?) had this happen. But the point is each time you go back on abx they work.
Posted 6/13/2017 9:27 PM (GMT 0)
>>Horowitz was a founder of the dapsone protocol, so he is definitely no slouch.

According to Dr. J he's actually the one that came up with the dapsone approach + a few other things Dr. H touts where people assume he's the inventor but isn't. Interesting hearing some stories from Dr. J I'm going to ask him a few more related questions when I see him again.

In any event either one could be on my A team anytime!
Posted 6/13/2017 9:45 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...

trader758 said...
As stated, the man has a lot on his plate. Lost practice, sued, daughter gets leukemia....that would put a damper on anyone. Yet today hes back in practice treating thousands.

Dont know how he does it. Heck, the leukemia thing alone would have made me second guess going full speed ahead, let alone all the BS associated with Lyme.

I didn't know about his daughter having leukemia. That - along with wife having breast cancer....holy...that would break even the strongest.

Definitely! The family has been through the ringer...

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGjitj899Xg

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVJXQbV0CXs
Posted 6/14/2017 1:22 AM (GMT 0)

Rikky1 said...
>>Horowitz was a founder of the dapsone protocol, so he is definitely no slouch.

According to Dr. J he's actually the one that came up with the dapsone approach + a few other things Dr. H touts where people assume he's the inventor but isn't. Interesting hearing some stories from Dr. J I'm going to ask him a few more related questions when I see him again.

In any event either one could be on my A team anytime!

Does Jemsek use Dapsone in his practice?
Posted 6/14/2017 1:37 AM (GMT 0)
>>Does Jemsek use Dapsone in his practice?

Yes he does in fact I asked him this question since I was inquiring into my long chronic illness and could I be dealing with persisters and I know Dr. H had a protocol for this. That's when he told me well most of that work is mine.
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