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Posted 6/10/2017 8:34 PM (GMT 0)
I have been putting off some dental work because I knew it would be advised I get a current amalgam adjusted after a previous X-ray. After increasing sensitivity I went ahead and followed through with this appontment but told them there could be no more metal in my mouth. They have now stated they are going to take out the current filling and replace it with non metal as they can't mix 2 different fillings. Has anyone had this specifically done. Is removal going to send me down a rabbit hole symptom wise if I go ahead with this. i have huge anxiety about this but it really needs doing. i have no money for holistic dentists all my money's going on treating at the moment. I guess I just want to know that it's not going to throw me back a few months.
Posted 6/10/2017 9:15 PM (GMT 0)
I'm not sure what you mean by adjusted?


Intersting - the timing of your post. I have finally scheduled an appt. for an amalgam replacement. I chipped a piece off a few years ago...and it's apparently stable...but I have decided to have it replaced.

I also can't afford to travel to a biological dentist and pay the hefty price.

I plan on doing some detox prior to and after the removal...

What is the filling made of that they are replacing your amalgam with?

My appointment is in July. When is yours'?
Posted 6/10/2017 9:36 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry that was poor terminology on my part! basically the X-ray showed a new crack in the tooth which the current filling wasn't covering. So they basically need to make the filling bigger. I'm having it done in 3 weeks as want to time it to be when I'm on antibiotics rather than my 2 week break. I think new one is composite. That's what they advised anyway. So my choice was more amalgam or removal, so the risk of exposure is there either way. I was thinking of some sort of natural chelation afterwards I'll have to research. The worst thing is she wants to revisit a root canal after that!
Posted 6/10/2017 9:49 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Ambella -

Well, there's no delicate way to say this but yes, having a regular dentist remove the amalgam w/out taking precautions could allow you to inhale mercury vapors (they generally have to drill it out, which causes the mercury to heat up), creating some symptoms.

However, before I new anything about everything Lyme & Co related, long after I had developed Lyme & co symptoms I had amalgams removed by a regular (and not very good) dentist without any repercussions. So it depends entirely on how you might respond.

Regardless, an increased stress level over the decision-making and the procedure and any reaction to it is definitely not good so reducing stress will be important.

And I think having a problematic tooth/filling leaves you susceptible to bigger problems. There are a few ideas for things you can do to increase your chances of avoiding trouble:

- educate yourself on how bio dentists safely remove amalgams so that you know what you're talking about w/ requests for the DDS

- then schedule a "consult" appt w/ the dentist before the procedure, explain your concerns and ask specific questions (how to avoid vapors, what precautions can she take, etc.) It will be good for the dentist to understand your concerns, prepare in advance for what YOU need, and this will give you a better sense of control and help ease your anxiety a bit

- if there are protocols you do for anxiety, I would be sure to employ those techniques the day of your appt (anti-anxiety meds ---do not go overboard, maybe 1/2 dose before the appt), relaxing bath, essential oils

- ahead of time, learn some meditation and breathing techniques. I have extremely high anxiety with dental appts due to my TMJ - so much pain just to get through a regular cleaning... I make sure that I am ready to start the breathing exercises and meditation in the car ride to her office. ;) Maybe listen to music with head phones.

- before and after the appt, I'd incorporate a good chelator (carefully - start w/ low doses!) and gut binder and anything else that will increase your detoxing.

- And something else that might help alleviate concerns is to get your heavy metal levels tested BEFORE and AFTER your procedure. I was so paranoid until testing 6 mos. after my procedure showed no hvy mtls (granted, the tests aren't always accurate but I also wasn't having many sx).

Hope this is helpful...

-p
Posted 6/10/2017 10:29 PM (GMT 0)
I decided not to mention my newly clicking jaw to see if I can self manage it. Though I did notice an advert for some sort of ear plug device to manage tmj so may look into that as a non invasive option. I think I just try to get by with the bare minimum of my usual health maintenance sometimes because of the potential consequences!

Thankyou pirouette lots of useful info as per usual!

Glad your removal went without issues .... Encouraging!

Post Edited (Ambella) : 6/10/2017 4:32:57 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/10/2017 10:40 PM (GMT 0)
I'm not convinced about all the devices, although if you find one that works - definitely use it!

My TMJ started when I was 9 and my mother worked for an oral surgeon at the time. So I've been looking into TMJ remedies for 3 decades... what I've learned is that there are some cases that have simple solutions, no matter how bad it is. And some that don't. I'm in the latter group.

I used splint and mouthpieces both hard and soft and nothing helped long-term. The only thing that did help was meditation before bedtime and MAYBE... just MAYBE a bee sting that I received right on my TM joint. How crazy is that?

Unfortunately, 3 yrs of Lyme & Co tx also haven't helped. I've been examined by 3 different oral surgeons, each whom were surprised at how bad my joints are. And none could guarantee relief w/ joint replacement. And insurance won't cover it.

ALSO... I was writing about TMJ in another post recently and forgot to mention that I also think that there might be a bacterial component to why people chomp and grind their teeth at night, which exacerbates the TM joint (rather than the chomping and grinding being caused by the TMJ issues --- a cause-and-effect thing). I don't know but I think this also might be some of the issue. The bacteria in the teeth cause the nerve endings to become agitated, thus all the activity.

-p
Posted 6/10/2017 10:43 PM (GMT 0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jni5WHsKDKE


I would use a biological dds. I met a wonder women at Dr. Rau's clinic that died from having this done back home by an illinformed dds.- don't risk it.

Of all the elements in the world mercury is the second most deadly-inches from your brain

Post Edited (magoo2) : 6/10/2017 4:56:02 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/10/2017 11:09 PM (GMT 0)

magoo2 said...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jni5WHsKDKE


I would use a biological dds. I met a wonder women at Dr. Rau's clinic that died from having this done back home by an illinformed dds.- don't risk it.

Of all the elements in the world mercury is the second most deadly-inches from your brain

magoo - was that from just one amalgam being removed? Or several ?
Posted 6/10/2017 11:13 PM (GMT 0)
Ambella - A few things you could ask your dentist to help with limiting your exposure to the mercury fumes and particles:

1) A dental dam is a must - so the particles don't go down your throat. (I think all dentists use these now)

2) The dental assistant should be spraying cold water on the filling as it's being removed. (to prevent the amalgam form heating up and producing vapors)

3) The dentist should be taking the amalgam out in 'chunks' and avoiding pulverizing it.

Biological dentists will also supply oxygen through the nose ...so you aren't breathing in the mercury vapors.

There are other procedures, as well..those are the ones I remember..
Posted 6/10/2017 11:14 PM (GMT 0)
I believe one-a month later her doc that she has als.
Got to Dr Rau and he found a boat load of mercury-off the chart.
Died a could months later.
Road horses and taught yoga before silver issue in tooth-very healthy say her husband
Posted 6/10/2017 11:17 PM (GMT 0)
It is the very "in" thing in my area to have the amalgam removed and composite put in.

I had a couple done and it went really well. I did take Advil on the first day for discomfort. The discomfort was from the mouth being stretched open and not from anything else.

Many doctors are doing this now and are well trained.

I would not worry about it. I think the stress of worrying will cause you absolutely horrendous problems and then you will think it is the teeth, but it will be all from the stress.

Deep breaths.
Posted 6/11/2017 4:11 AM (GMT 0)
For a lyme patient you do need to worry that this is done right.
Your systems are already compromised-you don't need a mercury issue. Pain is the least of the issue-its goes away.
Take the mercury out but make sure you work with a dds who understands this issue- don't risk it
with a dds who thinks mercury dust isn't life and death dangerous
Posted 6/11/2017 11:12 AM (GMT 0)
Wow ALS from a removal, that's worrying! There goes my positive thinking! Lol! I will give them a call and see how they plan to keep me safe but yeah it does seem to be in the in thing where I am too. The dentist didn't seem to be bothered about removing .. So I'm presuming she does it a lot, Though I bet she doesn't have too many patients with my chaotic mess of an immune system. I only have to look at someone sick and I'm in bed for a week.
Either way it needs doing now. A crack in my tooth is only going to bring more problems either way.

I guess it's wise to get it done with and continue with treatment rather than flare something up towards the end of treatment.
Posted 6/11/2017 3:39 PM (GMT 0)
Sounds good Ambella. Please don't let her ambivalence discourage you from asking questions and getting information from her, and a commitment to do what she can to minimize concerns and risk. Dentists are no different than MDs when it comes to hubris and focus on the task rather than the patient experience.

Please let us know how everything goes!

-p
Posted 6/11/2017 4:09 PM (GMT 0)
Whether or not the dental work will increase your symptoms is very individual. Dental work has always increased my symptoms for at least a couple of weeks. The more extensive the work, the longer it affects me too. I had dental posts put in (loosing too much bone), and it took me 2 months to get back to my baseline symptoms.

Increased detoxing, and in particular the use of binders, helped me a lot.

And, I was told by the practitioner that helped me heal that I would need chelation, but I was not strong enough for it at the time (in the beginning of my treatments), so she wanted to wait. While I was waiting (I'm not really good at waiting!) I used large amounts of fresh parsley and cilantro in my daily green smoothies that I was drinking back then - when the time came that my practitioner thought I was strong enough for chelation, she checked and didn't feel I needed it any longer. This may have been a combination of healing the infections to a certain point as well as the use of the parsley and cilantro.
Posted 6/11/2017 4:12 PM (GMT 0)
Here is a place where you can search for a biological dentist.

/iabdm.org

Ask your dentist what their schooling has been in this area.

Most doctors and dentists do continuing education courses. And like I said, in my area (probably because Californians love the latest and greatest things), a biological dentist is becoming more and more popular.

Post Edited (PeteZa) : 6/11/2017 3:16:26 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/11/2017 4:53 PM (GMT 0)
Ambella said she can't afford to go to a biological dentist.

I'm in the same position. I know where to find one - but the travel plus their cost would add up to a few thousand $$ for one tooth.

I have talked to a few Lyme patients during the last few months since I made my decision to have my failing amalgam removed - and they were all fine after their dental work going to a regular dentist. Only one knew about detoxing and did minimal - the others didn't prepare before or detox after.

I will do some prep before and detox after and hope for the best.
Posted 6/11/2017 8:00 PM (GMT 0)
I think getting heavy metals tested before and after is probably a good idea, especially for those of us maybe using the first removal as a way of testing the water for further removals.. I definitely think we could all benefit from having the metal removed in an ideal world. Though For now im only doing this one out of necessity. I'm also not willing to get myself in crazy debt for it. It would be good to know what actually is damage (metal toxicity) against a flare post treatment. I will speak to dr J about it first though as I am in the middle of 'immune modulating' because my response to everything is so erratic at the moment but it's nothing I can wait around for either way. It would be interesting to see if he just said stick with the metal for this particular problem filling.
I will definitely Use the parsley and cilantro smoothies. Can't hurt and it's cheap = box ticker
I will definitely update the forum with my response to it all.

Magoo - I am watching that video you suggested next. Thanks for the input all
Posted 6/11/2017 9:56 PM (GMT 0)
Have you ever tried chlorella?

Dr. K. put his wife on it, fully loaded, while she was pregnant. Her milk was green!! This way, he was almost sure his daughter wouldn't take the full heavy metal load of the mother.

Dr. K. does believe on the power of chlorella to bind to mercury and many other heavy metals, and then wash them off through the liver-stool way.

He's been using it for about 3 decades, specifically for heavy metal detox and for biological neuro-toxins.

I would try to take chlorella, see if your body accepts it, and if it does, I would then load myself before and AFTER amalgam removal,for about a week or two, minimum.

Even Buhner is recommending it in his latest books of lyme.

I took 13 amalgams off, not all in biological dentists. They did use a rubber dam though. It does make symptoms get worse, but after my overdose of chlorella, I swear, all symptoms disappeared very fast.

I even got cured from a 2 decade gastritis (very painful), due to chlorella.

From all stuff I took during lyme, chlorella is one of the few things that I still take today. I'm taking it regularly for more than a decade, and my daughter started it at age 2 (she's now 13!!). She also takes it regularly.

If your body accepts chlorella, I wouldn't be too afraid of taking the amalgams off. I know this plant so well today, and I do trust it for pulling toxins out.

Post Edited (Jinna) : 6/11/2017 3:59:08 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/11/2017 10:25 PM (GMT 0)
Good to know Jinna. Another one to try for sure. I read it maybe contradicted in auto immune type illness I'm guessing this is what you mean about tolerating it?
Worth a shot though. Thanks!
Posted 6/13/2017 12:26 AM (GMT 0)
You must see a biological holistic dentist that uses the full amalgam removal protocol: supplemental oxygen, rubber dam, 3 suctions : one under the dam, one over the dam and the large elephant trunk hose close to your chin. Lots of water, And uses a new bur(drill bit) & removes as much of the staining after the amalgam is out as it penetrates and leaches into the tooth below the filling.
Posted 6/13/2017 12:29 AM (GMT 0)
Jinna what brand of chlorella are you using as it sounds good ?
A lot of the detox supplements can be dirty and be putting in what your trying to get out.
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