LLMDs in / near Hong Kong

Hi, I've got a flea / mosquito bite back in mid-September last year, when a day later I started to have a EM-alike ring red rash on my arm while getting flu-like symptoms such as a runny nose, sore throat, fatigue in limbs and a heated forehead (but not fever).

And in these recent weeks symptoms like intermittent joint pain, stiffness in back, difficulty with concentration, forgetfulness, mild tremors during sleep, headaches, lightheadedess, increasing joint creaks and cracks, fatigue, severe insomnia and early awakening, unexplained weight loss, heart palpitations and breathlessness pop up one by one, sometimes coming together hand in hand... I don't know if it was Lyme or not. It also affects me a great deal in my normal life.

An Infectious Disease specialist I consulted told me that in Hong Kong (the place where I was bitten) Lyme Disease is not an notifiable epidemic disease and that there were NO cases reported in Hong Kong, though I managed to find a piece of news regarding a man getting Lyme arthritis from a local infection back in 2008. What do you think? And are there any LLMDs in / near Hong Kong whom I can seek help from?

Hi Kev, welcome to our community!

I found this:

/singaporenaturalremedies.com/?p=496

This facility mentions following Dr. Klinghardt's treatment modalities.
Dr. Klinghardt is well-known in the "Lyme" world.

" Internationally known for his successful treatment of chronic pain and illness, Dr. Klinghardt combines non-surgical orthopaedic medicine with immunology, endocrinology, toxicology, neural therapy, hypnotherapy and energy psychology. "

www.klinghardtacademy.com/BioData/Dr-Dietrich-Klinghardt-MD-PhD.html

Thanks guys, cuz the point of concern is not just the fact that doctors in Hong Kong were either very cautious in prescribing antibiotics ever since the outbreak of SARS in 2003, or they can be very lenient but know nothing of Lyme Disease, but if it is really due to a local infection the bunch of blood test testing only for the burgdoferi strain like those from Fry Labs, IgeneX or Advanced Labs would probably be useless.

I wonder if things like CD57, C6 Lyme test, PCR urine test, Live Blood Analysis under dark film microscopy or any others may help as a test for all other strains of Borrelia, like sinica and japonii? Many thanks.

Post Edited (Kev9412) : 5/31/2017 6:31:23 PM (GMT-6)

And the fact that local pharmacies are unwilling to sell antibiotics without a doctor's prescription makes me unable to purchase them on my own...

And even if I can, I don't know which antibiotics I shall take, how long I shall and what I shall do if there were any Herx reaction, co-infection or relapse of the Disease should the original treatment failed...

I basically don't know what to do.

Hi Kev...

YES the IDSA guidelines are kind of worthless, except to prove to an ID guy that even by the awful standards in those guidelines, he owes you some abx.

ETA: the guidelines state that with an EM, you should have received a prophylactic course and some will provide this while waiting for test results.

That buys you time until you can a) convince him to learn something, buck the system and treat you correctly or at least long enough to bide you a little more time, or figure out your next steps.

Also, to bide you more tjme, I can share online Pharmacy (not requiring an Rx) info with you - it's more expensive and not sure what HK's shipping restrictions are for meds - you could call and find out. Email me if you like.

-p

Post Edited (Pirouette) : 5/31/2017 6:50:36 PM (GMT-6)

I wonder, can CD-57 test the presence of all strains of Borrelia? That would help a lot better in diagnosis and I may see if I could persuade a microbiologist / ID specialist to help me do this.

Alison8 said...
Hi kev9412,

Did you manage someone in hk who knows a bit more about Lyme or willing to provide a longer course of antibiotics?

I am new here and I'm living in Hong Kong, and I just got diagnosed and was prescribed with only 2 weeks of doxycycline.

I read in many articles that 2 weeks is not enough and I should at least get 4-6 weeks. But I face same situation you had, since not surprisingly we are in hk and antibiotics are cautiously prescribed...

So if you can shed any light, I'd be grateful

Hi Alison, how did you get diagnosed with the Disease?

Allison and Kev,

I got bitten in Switzerland, by the BORDER of Germany, and my daughter got bitten first in Belgium.

With ONE bite, we both fell very ill with lyme disease, that took us years to heal with INTENSIVE treatment, literally thousands of substances, herbs, homepathics, frequencies.

Ticks here in Europe may be very contaminated, but good news is that stronger immune systems do NOT fall ill with lyme, despite dozens of bites.

I live in Switzerland, went to Germany for treatment (Germany and Swiss), both are followers of dr. Klinghardt.

If you go see the guy who practices ART in HK, he can PROBABLY test you for ALL infections and COINFECTIONS.

I went to 2 practitioners following dr. Klingh. and BOTH had all slides to test me for coinfections. Both found ALL coinfections during the years I saw them, because I got bitten several times (I am still bitten several times a year, but after treating my IMMUNE SYSTEM for so long, I do not fall ill anymore).

If I were Kev, I would have no doubt to go see the ART practitioner. He will probably do ENERGY TESTING for the pathogens, unless he's a doctor and can send samples abroad (if lyme is not endemic to HK, they won't have the tests, probably).

I never did tests for coinfections here in Europe, but I had all symptoms of Babesiosis, for example. The time I fell ill with lyme and coinfections, NO ONE believed in Babesiosis, Ehrlichiosis, Bartonellosis, etc here in Germany- SWitzerland - Belgium.

I got fully well with dr. K's approach + Buhner's approach (100% SELF TREATMENT, no doctor following me on that) + Chinese herbs (self-treatment) + photon & nosode treatment ( self treatment, following the protocol dr. W. from Germany).

Both daughter and I are lyme free for the last 8 years, but it took us about 4 years to heal, with intensive treatment.

I think dr. Klinghardt's approach helped us out with reinforcing the immune system.

Buhner's herbs were like emergency treatment, they helped me to keep alive (I almost died from lyme, I could no even sit up anymore, so weak I was) while I looked for help. Only after I started Buhner, I found dr. K's practitioners in Switz and Germany.

Read my story, I just posted an 'introduction' here in the forum some days ago. You'll see that I got the EM rash, I had ZERO symptoms then, took 2 weeks doxy, told cured.

Weeks after I started having arthritic symptoms. Then all lyme symptoms, one after another, with hard neck (probably encephalitis / meningitis), air hunger, paralysis, heart symptoms, hormonal imbalances, night sweats, light sensititivity, tinnitus, liver pain, digestive symptoms, etc...

A lot can be done on your own, without help, but with a lot of reading and exchange of information (in case there is no one there to help you)

But if I lived in HK, I would go see the ART / Klinghardt guy, without any doubt. Even if he will test you only energetically, probably, he can prescribe all antimicrobials in herbal forms, or homeopathic forms.

I borrowed a device from one Klingahrdt-practitioner that had all rife frequencies for lyme disease and other diseases for a month and after using it for many days, I actually felt better.

I didn't know what was giving the effect: rife-microcurrents, herbs, homeopathics, acupressure that they were prescribing me, but I did not care. I could walk again, go out for a few hours and bear sunlight again (I could not before, I just kept throwing up), I could even do some light physical work.

Before that, I was not even able to take a shower on my own.

I would really give it a try. Their approach literally changed the way I see treatment and health, in general.

Alison8 said...
Thanks Jinna,

I just read your post too - and in fact I got bitten somewhat near the black forest, somewhere near Baden-Baden but I was up in the hill for 5 days.

Sorry for the ignorance, this ART thing (is it Autonomic Response Testing?) is a testing method? And I who is this practitioner in HK?

My priority now is (if I really have Lyme) not to let it get to chronic - which I learned from here that 2 weeks doxy is not enough. And that I just read that might not even be enough with only doxy, as there might be other confection?

I was bitten on 29th May, and I thought I am catching this early enough. But I don't know what to think now, and the more I read the more I panic. Because I really don't know what I can do now, except keep on taking the doxy and figure out within these 2 weeks to find a doctor that would prescribe me longer doxy.

Right now I feel really quite normal except fatigue and occasional muscle pain, but it's no news for me as I have sciatica - so I don't even know it's my normal sciatica or a symptom.

Is there any way I can make myself not fall into chronic, and kill whatever that could be in that tick that I don't know? Just to imagine is horrible, as we don't have insurance here and I work as freelance. There is no way I can even stop working now...

I had posted a link to a place in Singapore - I don't know how long the travel would be for you.. or if the facility is still treating Lyme. I had googled it when the OP started this thread.

Here is the link:

/singaporenaturalremedies.com/lyme-disease-singapore-lymes-disease-treatment-lyme-disease-treatment/

Is there any way you can get more antibiotics? online? Not sure if the online pharmacies would ship to HK.

Yes, the symptoms can change around pretty quickly. Most with Lyme find this to be true, although there may be a few symptoms that remain for longer periods of time.

Would you consider an herbal protocol? That you can do on your own without the need for a doctor to write the prescriptions for the right abx at the right dosage.

Kev - no, the CD57 is a test of the function of the immune system, not a test for detecting these infections. While it does help some get a diagnosis, it's usually in conjunction to at least a few bands on the WB being positive or IND.

Do you remember the post/protocol? Maybe we can be of some help?

Also, have you emailed Girlie? I don't think you have emailed me asking if we have LLMD's listed in Germany - we do. Although not knowing where you are located, I'm not sure if it would be a lot of travel or not for you. Please don't post where you live here, but if you do email one of us, then if you would tell us we could help you check to see where these doctors are located.

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3602246&g=3865764#m3865764

This is the post I read, but I read it again and if I'm correct, this herbal protocol might be a personalised one instead of a generic-already-mixed one.

We have quite plenty of Chinese doctors here, we usually go there they check our tongue and pulses, listen to our symptoms and give personalised prescription with combination of herbs...

If it's a already-mixed prescription that can be applied for generic use, then I can ask the shops to just get the herbs for me. But if it's personalised, maybe it doesn't help after all...

Alison8 said...
https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3602246&g=3865764#m3865764

This is the post I read, but I read it again and if I'm correct, this herbal protocol might be a personalised one instead of a generic-already-mixed one.

We have quite plenty of Chinese doctors here, we usually go there they check our tongue and pulses, listen to our symptoms and give personalised prescription with combination of herbs...

If it's a already-mixed prescription that can be applied for generic use, then I can ask the shops to just get the herbs for me. But if it's personalised, maybe it doesn't help after all...

I believe that one of the herbs is Japanese Knotweed...which is part of a well-known (buhner) herbal protocol for Lyme disease.