Dentist said no jaw bone remaining on lower right

Oh this sounds like a horrible ordeal to go through. I'm so sorry.

I would definitely go for a second opinion with an assessment of this magnitude.

I say this because I just had the procedure for a dental implant and I did not have sufficient bone and they had to do a bone graft. My surgeon said he would not be able to identify if I needed the bone graft until he visually saw the jaw bone during the surgery.

That the xrays did not show density. He uses an MRI type xray. It is not just bite wings.

Oh, CA! I"m so sorry!!! I've lost a lot of bone in my mouth as well. I just barely got my implants in before I lost too much bone in my lower jaw. I'm now down to just the 'mental foramen'/'mental protuberance'. I've lost all of the aveolar process: /goo.gl/xBzsEy

You can go to the extreme of having bone implants placed - and I say extreme because of the cost that I assume is associated with it.

short term would ozone injection treatments help? second opinion?

CA, sorry to hear about your story. It's like what happened to me too...

My lyme doctor told me from start, because he has more than a decade of experience with teeth of lyme patients, that he did not recommend implants for that exact reason: jaw bones may get or be mushy, and simply cannot hold anything.

Treat the infection properly first with cavitation surgery, that is the best way to remove the infected bones (through first removing the mushy parts with a spoon, then the rest of the infection, if possible, with the drill).

I had done 7 cavitation surgeries... 5 AFTER lyme had gone. In fact, I had had some of these cavitations during lyme, but I did not remove all (only 2). The problem to leave these mushy bones and infections is that, as you said, there is no more living tissues there to transport immune cells, nourishment, and the bone keeps dying deeper...

I left one dead tooth with root canal that died during lyme for more than 5 years in my mouth and I do regret, because practically my whole cheekbone (left side) got affected until the part touching my left eye!

When bones get mushy, it means, they practically died: I don't believe they can come again to life.

When you actually see how the surgeon takes what is left of the bone with a SPOON, you understand that that jelly is far from looking like a bone...

Don't get too desperate. Ozone may help you, at least, psychologically.

Here in Switzerland, one ozone injection in the tooth costs me less than 3 francs (about 3 dollars)!! It's incredibly cheap!

I paid much more for the practitioner fee than for the actual ozone injection.

I asked my doctor the price of his ozone machine and almost bought one, once. It was about 2- 3000 dollars, not thaaaaat much, I thought.

But the doctor told me ozone can heal only milder cases, not the lost cases....
Even milder cases, sometimes ozone will only postpone death of the tooth...

Even though it will help the mushy bones, it is just a palliative treatment...

Most chronic lyme people have problems there, in the mouth and jawbones. They simply do not know!
It's not only you, if that can make you feel better.

Cavitation treatment is not that awful, I found. After 7, well, I got used and don't even think it's that bad...
The first cavitation treatments scared me to death. But I took NO antibiotics at all.

Everything was dealt with homeopathy, before and after cavitations....

I use removable partials. They are not perfect, but I had anyway no choice. I got used to them, though. I'd rather have something I can take off, clean, than some metal in the bones attracting EMRs like an antenna, and poisoning my bones with heavy metals even further....

Anyway, I've been there too! I hope this is a bit of a consolation.

Wow! No words of wisdom here, but just wanted to say I'm sorry for what you're having to go through!!

Hope you can get a second opinion on the right course of action.

Hugs,
Denver1

Hi ChickenArise,
Just thinking of you and hoping the best of outcomes for you.

So sorry that you have to go through any of this.

You take care, Sincerely,Jo

Chicken - you read my mind when you mentioned stem cells.

I believe that will be the answer for many, many restorations in our bodies - but it may be another 10...or 20...years away...unfortunately.



I think the grafting is the best option available for now. And..using your own is better than bone from another person...or bovine sourced. There is also synthetic sources.

magoo2 said...
There are some docs using stem cells on jaw today.
I fellow patient of Dr Yu told me she has been doing this for about a year

Has it been successful so far magoo?

ChickenArise said...
I saw the dentist yesterday, she said I have no jaw bone remaining on lower right. Had I gotten new implants that they would have failed. I told her I suspect Lyme.

She recommended extractions of the implants, to let it heal, and get aesthetic as opposed to functional dentures.

I asked her if I risk spreading the infection when I have them removed, to which she said "I dont think so".

It is my understanding that antibiotics dont work under the circumstances where the bone is dead or dissolved, but I will continue them for now.

The oral spirochete is able to slowly dissolve jawbone without it showing as an obvious infection on an xray.

I have sent an email to a clinic in Panama City (the only one) which does ozone. I inquired about 10 pass ozone treatment and am attempting to get cost and availability as well as figure out how many treatments it may take.

I flew to CA to get my root canals removed and then new Zirconia implants with a very knowledgeable holistic dentist. It cost a lot but I feel good knowing i'm in good hands He's in L.A. He uses ozone to irrigate and kill bacteria. I LOVE HIS openNESS. He is so open to listening your opinions. He is the first and only doctor that said he was proud of me for doing my researching and googling. Every other doctor condemmed me for googling they hate that word in fact. PM me if you want his name he's on yelp as well. GLOWING REVIEWS. Their office will submit claims to your insurance but they don't accept insurance . The staff is amazing as well.

bluelyme said...
So my mother who saw the costa rica dentist cleared her cavitations but was not yet treating her chronic lyme . I love the microscope work of norquist btw the one formula that did kill ketes was honey with herbs (what herbs?) So after cavitatuon came back she found a dentist here who did ozone injections to clear bone infection . (Also btw i know my bones are infected with at least bartonella because of the low heme and platelet counts on my cbc) its slowly rising .

so i met a dentist at the apitherapy conference and asked if he would ever do venom in the mouth and he said he has used chlorine dioxide with great success even unbeknownst to patients .mms or a commercials one is closys brand stabalized mouthwash .
a few hardcore of the bvt nurses in next town iver h@ve used ozone and bvt with success.for cavitations .one said nothing else phased it. I have been using the cd mouthwash,microstings ,lots of propolis ,manuka or cats claw honey,oil rinses with coconut and oil of oregano and my gums are clearing up again. I also swish my andrographis /barberry tincture before swallowing ...yum

So when you say inject wiht ozone how deep do they go? do they just irrigate it with the syringe or do they actually inject into the gums? i'm having trouble visualizing this procedure? i'd love to inquire it with my dentist. It only irrigated it.

Girlie- I don't know but I see this person at my docs office and I hav a checkup soon so if I find out I will let you know.
Also at Dr. Rau's clinic-Paracelsus in Switzerland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugGIRMQhmLM

Used a procedure called stabident

I truly wonder about ozone injections... My lyme doctor has been using it for about a decade, but he's been sending patients to cavitation surgery for almost 2 decades.

He uses procaine, then ozone, if I remember well. The ozone injections are quite easy, not very painful, you just get a discomfort after. But you need constant ozone treatments, and not all teeth are cleaned, only the best ones. He explained that clearly, and I think dr. K. is also of the same opinion.

He follows dr. K, mostly.

The dentist of Paracelsus said he inject homeopathics, Sanum products. I INGESTED homeopathics and nosodes after my 7 extractions.

But I think their method is even better, because he sees patients AFTER the cavitation was done.

Not everyone can do implants, because there is little bone left, in some cases. If you had bone, needed to grafting, it means your cavitation was not bad, but only light.

Mine were all bad, all 7 of them.

I would also like to get the zirconium implants, if I was allowed. But I wasn't.

I used Sanum products EXTENSIVELY and I still do. I never used abx for my jaws, teeth etc. I mean, not in the last 10 years. I'm still fighting with my left cheekbone.

I know stuff like Rife, some infrared, and PEMFs CROSS the bone and could treat it.
From all 7 cavitations, I had lasting problems just with one, that I lost during lyme, to severe infection of the root.

I clearly felt stinging pains after GcMaf, and some relief with cannabis, so I do think macrophages had been activated there. The problem seems to have gone down, but it's still not totally finished...

After lyme went dormant in 2009, I still lost teeth, because I left some dead teeth there. I took them all off, and have been using the Violet Ray very often exactly there, on the jaws, for more than 2 years. Since then, knocking on wood, no more lost teeth.

I do feel it gives a boost to the lymph, my teeth feel stronger now than 3 years ago.

but I do doubt that ozone injections would have made my bones grow again.... You had to see the size of the holes the surgeon did in the bones...

I read today about Symphitum, a homeopathic product used for bone loss, broken bones, osteoporosis, wound healing in the bones... I think I will order it and test it energetically to see if they fit to my jaw situation...

The description of the Paracelsus dentist is right: bones much farther away from the point the dentist can reach can be truly affected. Not always, but they can.

Some of my teeth sort of scared the surgeon: while he was drilling the bones to clean infected bones, his drilling machine kept finding holes and his hand kept slipping and he kept saying, 'sorry'!

Just picture the situation!! It's like drilling holes on a wall that's got full of holes already.

One of the few things I felt helped so far, was my violet ray, a nose liquid nosode I did home, and some of VFT products (GcMaf, for example)...

I wonder about stronger PEMFs. Has anyone tried PEMFs?