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Posted 6/21/2017 5:08 PM (GMT 0)
I went off antibiotics and onto herbs because I started having liver problems...I also started taking glutathione and liposomal acid (can't remember the name) for detoxing before finding out that they contribute to candida too.

Basically I've just been having a lot of bloating all over my body and I'm wondering if the herbs worsen it.

I already take 150 billion of probiotics daily so I'm not sure how this could happen. I also detox my liver with milk thistle and pekana drainage. I drink plenty of fluids. Help!
Posted 6/21/2017 5:18 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, certain herbs can worsen candida - if they have an antibiotic action, although generally not quite as bad as most pharma abx for most people.

You may need to stop treatments and take care of the candida so that you can heal all of your infections.

Have you read Pirouette's wonderfully detailed post on the bottom of page 2 of the "New to Lyme?" thread? I would encourage you to do so if you haven't yet.
Posted 6/21/2017 6:40 PM (GMT 0)
I've never have that experience Traveler describes...

What I know happened to me MANY TIMES, is that when I take substances that move toxins (like glutathione, cilantro or other chelators....), I usually get my candida reactivated.

The explanation may be: when we stir heavy metals, candida reactivate, because candida somehow uses heavy metals to 'hide', according to dr. Klinghardt.

Wherever you have heavy metals, you'll have candida, because it acts somehow protectively (for you not to get the direct harmful effect of heavy metals).

I have seen that repeating so many times for me, that I think it's true: when metals are loose, so come my candida. Note that heavy metals can be loose after death of pathogens (that have them in the body) or after certain mobilizers or binders (zeolite, chlorella etc).

And also, according to dr. K. candida is usually present in larger pathogens: kill the pathogens, and they liberate candida in the body. He explains that that pathogens are like the Russian dolls: one comes inside the other. Kill the bigger one, and smaller pathogens get liberated and cause symptoms.

That is why he recommends killing parasites first, or the bigger pathogens first. If your herbs are killing bigger pathogens, well, you can have many other smaller pathogens reactivating again.

Just some guesses, of course....
Posted 6/21/2017 7:39 PM (GMT 0)
Sounds great, thank you both. I feel a lot better hearing that.
Posted 6/22/2017 3:05 PM (GMT 0)
When I switched to herbals after antibiotics they eventually tore my stomach up way more than antibiotics. I was in so much pain I decided to see a Lyme literate gastroentologist who said he didn't think it was caused by candida but the Lyme. I decided to switch back to antibiotics.
Posted 6/22/2017 3:46 PM (GMT 0)

Jinna said...
I've never have that experience Traveler describes...

The reason is because the herbs that I'm talking about are anti-microbial, so they do kill off some of the good bacteria/yeast in our intestines. This imbalance can and does lead to issues like yeast issues for some.
Posted 6/22/2017 10:19 PM (GMT 0)
Seriously??? Just when I think I have some things figured out now this. I am going to be starting abx again and so worried about candida. I am planning on asking him for a script for pure Nystatin and see if he will go along with it. If not, maybe he will write a script to pulse Nystatin. How often do you pulse it? I guess taking liposomal glutithione is a bad idea? What could be taken in its place? Binders??? Does that include activated charcoal? I also take chlorella. I am so confused. What does everybody else think?

Oh, and my LLMD states I can't take Diflucan because of my mthfr gene.
Patty

Post Edited (summer16) : 6/22/2017 4:22:51 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/22/2017 11:13 PM (GMT 0)
Traveler, which exact herbs are you talking about?

Few herbs are 'only' antimicrobial, that is why my brain is having hard time to understand how could your candida be reactivated with , for example, cats claw, eleuthero, or stuff like that??

Not even andrographis or coptis that are herbs with stronger antimicrobial effect made my candida active.

I haven't gone through oregano though. I eat oregano leaves, but never went to do the crazy experience people do with essential oil ingestion!

So, that I would agree, could be a strong antimicrobial herb... I mean, not a herb any longer, but its essential oil. It would destroy even inner cells of the stomach lining, so I wonder what else could it do to the gut...

Garlic for example, has strong antimicrobial properties, but will fight candida too. And it still binds to neurotoxins as it has loads of sulphur, so it will contribute for lowering candida, not encouraging it.


I have taken hundreds of herbs, that is why I can't think of anything, in this exact moment, that could reactivate my candida.

Maybe it's just my brain that is tired?! Give me a couple of names of what you call, 'antimicrobial herbs'.
Maybe what Buhner call 'herbal antibiotics'?

Maybe that candida you got reactivated could be due the Russian Doll effect I'm talking about?
Or herxes increasing toxins, then causing candida to rise?

Antibiotics, yes, for sure! Candida is a known issue if you guys take antibiotics.

Even if you don't take abx, candida can be an issue because of toxicity.

Every one fighting chronic lyme will fight candida at a certain point, with or without antibiotics. It's my feeling after reading what you all write for so many years!

I feel both are cousin-diseases, they come due to same immune deficiencies, same toxicity problems!
And we today know that ticks may carry some candida too!
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