Not Herxing yet???

I just started doxy, Zithro, and flagyl along with an array of supplements. I have yet to herx. I am worried this isn't working. If the abx are in fact killing the Lyme shouldn't I be herxing??

Gracie, not everyone herxes.

I didn't and neither did my husband.

Just keep on detoxing!! That is the ticket. Especially if you are doing antibiotics. Make sure you eat probiotics and fermented foods.

Lots of nutritious food, lots of water and as much sleep as you can.

Oh gosh, the 2 most important -- No stress and Tons of laughing. -- best medicine there is.

By the way, here is the Buhner protocol:

1. Protecting endothelial structures (pg 214) - Polygonum cuspidatum (Hu Zhang or Japanese Knotweed)

2. Cytokine remodulation (pg 214) - Salvia miltiorrhiza (Red Sage or pinyin: dānshēn) and Scutellaria baicalensis (Skullcap or Huang Qin)

3. Collagen protection (pg 214) - Great lakes gelatin, Vit C, Selenium, etc - My personal recommendation for collagen is Protein Essentials Hydrolyzed Collagen.

4. Immune remodulation (pg 215) - Unicaria tomentosa (Cat's Claw), Cordyceps mycelium (a mushroom), withania somnifera (ashwagandha), Eleutherococcus senticosus, Glycyrrhiza (licorice)

5. Antispirochetal (pg 215) - Andrographis


Step one: Stop the inflammation brought about by BB, breaking down the collagen throughout the body.
Step two: Support the formation and strength of collagen.
Step three: Design specific herbal interventions for the unique symptom picture of the person.
Step four: Strengthen the immune function.
And only in step five, use herbal anti-spirchetals to control the infection.

On step three: Design specific herbal interventions for the unique symptom picture of the person. -- this is where you address the most horrible symptom you have. If it is racing heart you would try for some heart healthy herbs (Hawthorn, motherwort, etc). If it is lymph, at this time you would address that (try Red Root). This is why Buhner's books are important.

What are the dosages of the doxy, zithro and flagyl?

i will now unleash some reactions here with my comment

honestly, after looking at loads of recordings from lyme conferences, Dr. H says it clear, if u don't herx then:
- u need to give it a few more days for abx to reach a load in your fat tissue
- lyme is not your biggest problem , a coinfection is, and herxing on coinfections is not a norm
- the antibiotics are not working and u need stronger doses or different abx

I know people say "not everyone herx". But u know what Dr. H tells sick people that tell him "doctor i dont herx", "oh i can give u a herx, here's Dapsone" and almost all of them herx like hell on dapsone ... so .....

on my end i am herxing very badly even on something harmless like amoxicilin ... i took it for strep throat and i got some huge neuro herx after 3-4 days.... 1.5grams a day, and it's not even a brain abx...

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Or could this extreme nerve pain be a herx? What are the actual symptoms of a herx?

lotuslight said...
PeteZa, I will get the Buhner book as soon as I can, but it's a bit complicated because I'm in India. I think Buhner is the greatest person that ever happened to Lyme, and am not at all prejudiced just because I'm partial to herbs and agree with his philosophy.

Does he think, in the book, that dan shen and huang qin are absolutely necessary for most, and could you summarize why? Same question for cat's claw, although there I've seen him say that eleuthero, ashwagandha, and rhodiola (all three) can be substituted if necessary.

And another option for collagen is bone broth, if you can get pastured bony meat and don't mind a bit of work. For those with more time than money.......and not totally exhausted.

When I first got his book I just went to chapter 8 for the protocol. I could not read much more than that and understand it for more than one minute. I had such horrible brain fog.

All of Buhner herb recommendations are just that - recommendations. You don't have to take everything and the dosage is individual. I listened to my body and if I had a bad reaction to the introduction of an herb, I skipped it and moved on. You can always come back later and try it again.

I went up on my herbs until "I" thought I reached my maximum dose. Some maximum doses for me were very low and some were higher than Buhner recommended.

It is all trial and error.

Gracie0990 said...
Or could this extreme nerve pain be a herx? What are the actual symptoms of a herx?

Has the nerve pain increased in the last few days? Or, is it a new symptom?

herxing is a ramping up of a current symptom, and/or the addition of a new symptom.

Keep us updated, okay?

and please detox...you don't want it to 'catch up' with you.